Upcoming maintenance: June 5
June 4, 2008 on 8:15 am | In News | 53 Comments
We have scheduled some maintenance to Yahoo! Messenger starting at 5pm Pacific time on June 5. We anticipate that this maintenance will be complete by 9pm Pacific time that same evening.
During the maintenance period, some Yahoo! Messenger users, especially those on version 8.0 or earlier, may be logged out of the product unexpectedly. If this does occur, you should be able to log back in immediately. In addition, users on older versions may have trouble using certain features like file transfer, mobile IM and display images.
If you are using Yahoo! Messenger 8.0 or earlier, we recommend upgrading to 8.1 or 9.0 Beta to avoid any interruptions during the scheduled maintenance. Or alternatively, you can use Yahoo! Messenger for the Web.
We apologize for any inconvenience you may experience during the maintenance and appreciate your patience.
Sarah Bacon
Product Manager
I am one of those who use an OLD version – simply because it allows me to IGNORE THOSE NOT ON MY LIST and still see and hear all others in a chat room. Given the amount of unwanted IM’s and the re-occurance of bots in the chat rooms again I find it the best solution to the pesty ones. If you were to include that option in the current versions I would up-date – if you remove the option to use the version I prefer I will simply leave Yahoo chat — the loss of a single person is no big deal to you perhaps — but I do not understand why when this has been mentioned in almost every comment section since the change of that function in version 7.5 you simply ignore what your users are telling you they find important! I pay for the internet and Yahoo happens to be my provider — I think you should listen to us.
Comment by I Know What I Like — June 4, 2008 #
I am one of those who use an OLD version – simply because it allows me to IGNORE THOSE NOT ON MY LIST and still see and hear all others in a chat room. Given the amount of unwanted IM’s and the re-occurance of bots in the chat rooms again I find it the best solution to the pesty ones. If you were to include that option in the current versions I would up-date – if you remove the option to use the version I prefer I will simply leave Yahoo chat — the loss of a single person is no big deal to you perhaps — but I do not understand why when this has been mentioned in almost every comment section since the change of that function in version 7.5 you simply ignore what your users are telling you they find important! I pay for the internet and Yahoo happens to be my provider — I think you should listen to us.
Comment by I agree with him/her cuz I KNOW WHAT I LIKE — June 4, 2008 #
i really dont have it updated cuz im at a libaray
Comment by catvampiresmile — June 4, 2008 #
if i could get it o trust me hell yeah i would get it updated
Comment by catvampiresmile — June 4, 2008 #
I suppose the old versions of Yahoo! Messenger (8 and below) connect to cs1.msg.dcn.yahoo.com to cs59.msg.dcn.yahoo.com servers while the latest versions of messenger (8.1,9 Beta and above) connect to cs101.msg.ac4.yahoo.com to cs130.msg.ac4.yahoo.com and cs101.msg.sp1.yahoo.com to cs101.msg.sp1.yahoo.com servers.
Yahoo should be aware of the fact that all these so called chat clients like Yahelite, Ymlite, Yazak etc and booters/bots which exploit yahoo chat servers connect using cs1.msg.dcn.yahoo.com to cs59.msg.dcn.yahoo.com servers which use the old method of login (YMSG12). If Yahoo! can force all the older versions of messenger to connect using these new batch of servers (AC4/SP1) which use a new and unknown login method it will definitely be one of the best thing Yahoo! would have done in its past 10 years of chat server maintenance history simply because of the fact that not only will it kill all the chat clients and force people to use Yahoo! Messenger but also get rid of the spam as well in 1 shot since these bots use the old method of login.
Good luck Yahoo! Hope for the best.
Comment by Patcher — June 4, 2008 #
Unfortunately, I don’t believe it is possible to make the new login authorization mandatory without discontinuing older versions of Yahoo! Messenger such as 6.0 and 7.0.
However, what Yahoo can do is make the older servers more “picky” to make coding third party software for them a harder task.
First and foremost, require that authentication and protocol versions used match. Currently, a lot of third party software uses the authentication from messenger 6.0 in combination with the protocol used in 8.x (YMSG v15). This shouldn’t be allowed. Make it so the 8.x auth MUST be used to log in with YMSG v15, while requiring the older auth to log in to YMSG v12, etc etc.
Secondly, be very particular about the contents of the login packets EXACTLY matching what would be expected from the corresponding version of Yahoo Messenger. If something isn’t quite right, return an error and drop the connection. If done correctly, Yahoo! Messenger will be unaffected and poorly coded third party software that doesn’t imitate messenger perfectly will suffer.
Lastly, make servers and protocols unavabile in situations where they would never be used normally. I can think of several examples of this.
1. There is a range of 25-30 MUD messenger servers that currently don’t appear to be used by any version of Yahoo Messenger (on the Windows platform anyway). If these aren’t being used in a production environment, make the inaccessible to the internet so bots and other third party software can’t use them.
2. The DCN and MUD messenger servers accept login requests using the protocol used in Yahoo! Messenger for the Web (i.e. YMSG v101 and v102). The only place this protocol should allowed is when the HTTP transport for YMSG is used. This is vital as those protocols use a simple authentication and allow access to Yahoo Chat.
3. Due to recent changes, Yahoo! Messenger 9.0 only connects to a new set of servers (AC4/SP1). If there are no plans to change this, consider removing/disabling support for 9.0 on all the other servers (i.e. DCN/MUD).
I fully expect Yahoo to take this message with a grain of salt and I’m okay with that. I’m in no position to make design decisions for Yahoo or tell them how they should or shouldn’t be running their servers or services. However, I do strongly feel that these are things that need to be addressed. All I’m hoping for is that what I’ve mentioned is given at least a little consideration.
Sincerely,
Robby Lickenbrock
Comment by Robby Lickenbrock — June 4, 2008 #
Fix the chat rooms while you guys are fixing some issues with the older messengers! Damn I’m tired of getting in there and just seeing “I’m hot, wanna see, click here and remember
have a valid credit card” It’s bull shit now!
Comment by EJ — June 4, 2008 #
[...] Pe blog-ul oficial – Yahoo anunta lucrari de mentenanta pentru Yahoo Messenger pe data de 5 iunie intre 5 PM PST si 9 PM PST. In acest interval cei ce au Yahoo Messenger 8.0 sau mai vechi ar putea avea probleme, sa se deconecteze sau sa nu le mearga unele dintre serviciile sale. Ar fi mai bine sa va faceti un upgrade la 9.0 Beta sau sa folositi web messenger-ul. [...]
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You really don’t need an older version of Yahoo! Messenger “Ignore Anyone who’s Not on My List”. Simply find a good companion wwwdotytkprodotcom this will block way more then PM’s. I hope Yahoo axe’s anything below Yahoo! Messenger 8.1.0.xxx
Force YMSG15-16 authentication for logging in.
Comment by SGFC — June 5, 2008 #
Everything below 8 does not use the new servers, funnily enough everything below 8 can be considered what 3rd party clients use…
So would i be right in assuming this is going to happen.
Does Messenger 6/7 have some kind of remote configurable modual, for example, flashing a router with new instructions, if so, messenger users would be given the new routines to either login on the new servers (which would explain a disconnect only on the older servers) and then when it relogs in it’s using the new server?…
And then what, switch off the old servers? keep the old servers but switch off the old authentication?
Pros: Messenger would be safe to use again (no bots)
Pros: Chat Clients will be dead
Pros: Faster less clogged up system
Cons: ummm, no 3rd party, no booters no exploits, don’t need to even worry about messenger crashing, no need to worry about that then i guess there would be no need for tools like Y!Tunnel and YTK to protect messenger either…
oops that was a Pro.
As far as i see it, people under 8 wont be able to login if there’s no way of updating the program to point to the new server / code for authentication then yahoo can’t really kill off 3rd party without killing off messenger 7 and below unless of course messenger 7 has the ability to somehow be upgraded.
Comment by Craig — June 5, 2008 #
I understand the benefits of the use of newer versions with reguard to third party chat clients and the bot issue. However, that does not solve the problem of unwanted IM’s from “real” people cruising the net for … whatever it is they are looking for. The option to ignore those IM’s while still seeing and hearing all chat in the rooms is something I see as a big plus. I also understand that ytk is a companion client not a 3rd party client however I choose not to use it at this point and cannot understand why Yahoo will not address the issue allowing the options to ignore and still see and hear general chat. To me, to think that removing the 3rd party clients will solve all the woes and unwanted activity is a wish and not a reality – most of the IM’s I get are from individuals the bots may disappear but they won’t- I simply want the option to not have to even have to deal with the cloaked ASL IM’s…
Comment by I Know What I Like — June 5, 2008 #
All of those advocates of killing Ymsg should realize that Ymsg is embedded in a ton of cell phones.
I’d be rather annoyed if my cell phone client stopped working.
The solution is not to ban rogue clients. The solution is to fix the problem server-side and allow any client to be used.
Comment by Leonid S. Knyshov — June 5, 2008 #
without programs like YTK I wont even use Messenger and I might as well use a client besides it. get your act together yahoo please!
Comment by Adrian — June 5, 2008 #
@Craig Capel
As for “tools” as you put it. There would still be a need. Because Yahoo! Messenger doesn’t block everything on it’s own. Not talking about booters either. I’m talking about unwanted IM’s and Invites from other users. With the current Y!M you can’t turn off IM’s because chat text will not move then. So explain Craig how would you stop unwanted IM’s and invites from users who you do not wish contact from and still see chat text?
Comment by SGFC — June 5, 2008 #
I’d really love to know what’s going to happen to the im clients embedded in cell phones. I’ve got an older sony ericsson phone from when AT&T was still Cingular and it’s got an embedded client in it. I wonder if they’re going to release a new client for the phones so they can continue to connect. Sure would be nice.
Comment by addicted_to_yahoo_sms — June 5, 2008 #
Nothing seems to have changed. All Yahoo! has done in this maintenance is get rid of all cs1.msg.dcn.yahoo.com to cs59.msg.dcn.yahoo.com chat servers and replaced them with cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com to cs125.msg.mud.yahoo.com servers which have the same exploits which the old servers used to have. Booters can still login and disconnect people with multiple packets, also chat clients can still login by faking the login header by using YMSG12 login method and messenger version 8 in login headers. And worst of all bots can still login and spam the chatrooms by using the old login method which is used by Yahoo! Messenger 6.0 (YMSG12).
Guess it was too much to expect a miracle happening and see all bots vanish in the blink of an eye. :-]
Comment by Patcher — June 5, 2008 #
All Yahoo! thinks about is political matters, not technical issues. I can’t download any version of Yahoo! messenger. Every page I call leads me to http://messenger.yahoo.com/20055 which lists the features of web messenger. I think this is a regional descrimination, because when I use a proxy server, the real pages are shown.
Comment by hessan — June 5, 2008 #
were almost there…
yahoo team since u are in the mod of killing obsolete servers why not include the “mud” servers? kill them too they are used by 3rd party chat clients
3rd party chat clients like YahElite are now in ICU its end is inevitable GOOD JOB yahoo! >:D<
Comment by YM user — June 5, 2008 #
@SGFC
LOL after yahoo implement what craig suggest u think they are that stupid that they don’t know how to fix the ignore not in my list option? LOL u underestimate the so much…i mean they did it b4 don’t see any reason why they cant fix it…Trust me yahoo programmers are way lot smarter the YTK pro authors if only top ass in yahoo management give them a free hand all problems will be solve in no time.
But its a company they only do what their boss told them to do…and we all know the main concern is business and money first b4 anything else…
Comment by YM user — June 5, 2008 #
If Yahoo programmers are ’smart’ as you put it how come the Captcha method they implemented to stop the bots in chat has failed miserably?
Captcha is a ‘cheap jack’ method of protection and if that’s all they can think of to keep the rubbish out then they ain’t got a clue.
At least the Ytk and Ytunnel boys can protect you from the bots and other the unwanted so they must be the ‘top ass’ mustn’t they?
Messenger programmers keep coming up with ‘bits and pieces’ to make programme look nicer, nothing more than kids stuff and they don’t listen to their users and tackle the serious issues with Messenger and chat.
So I give the thumbs up to those of Ytk and Ytunnel who do understand the problems and do help the users.
Just my quids worth.
Comment by Colin — June 6, 2008 #
@ YM User
Get back to me when your english isn’t so broken. Yahoo! hasn’t fixed the ignore problem since 8.0 what makes you think they’re going to change their minds all of a sudden and fix it.
Comment by SGFC — June 6, 2008 #
Craig the booter talks about having no booters in chat, ironic to say the least.
We all know the ymsg15/16 login has been cracked already, why are people been delusional.
This as in the past will only be a stint for bot creators and when it comes to third party clients/im programs yahoo will always have a problem unless they start working with teams like trillian and gaim (perhaps making a key login system and encrypting it) and giving one to each of those developers.
Otherwise you will have a influx of talented people breaking yahoo’s login apart…as usual.
Comment by Dermot — June 6, 2008 #
SGFC..if you read what I said about Yahoo not listening to their users answers your point about the ignore fix doesn’t it? People have pointed that bug out on here ever since this blog started and who at Yahoo has bothered to take notice..zilch.
Ytunnel or Ytk fixes that problem..but as you say there should be no need for addons for that sort of thing.
I stand by my other comments..and btw there’s nothing wrong with my English..my typing might be off and I’ll give you that..but otherwise me got British passport lol.
Comment by Colin — June 6, 2008 #
howcome my comment didnt get posted?
Comment by Vea — June 6, 2008 #
My yahoomesseger is not diplaying on the desktop. i can not even view it whenever i sign in, it dissappear
Comment by Oluwakemi — June 6, 2008 #
What do i do to have access to it.
Comment by Oluwakemi — June 6, 2008 #
Every third party client Ive tried today cannot login this morning. Among those that have had trouble are Adium and Meebo. Anyone have a suggestion – or can Yahoo comment on when this will be resolved!
Comment by Jon T — June 6, 2008 #
@ Colin
I was directing my comment about the poor English at YM User. If that’s you then it was directed at the rant under the name YM User.
Yahoo! makes all of these features to send things via Yahoo! Messenger. But they left out the options to block them as well. Even the features that can be blocked on just Y!M alone. Don’t actually block the way they should. Setting your Y!M to “ignore anyone not on your list” doesn’t stop add buddy requests from coming through. Logically it should because you’re supposedly ignoring anyone not on your list. But at the end of the day Yahoo! Chat is free and you get what you pay for. =)
Comment by SGFC — June 6, 2008 #
You need to change the servers in order to login. csxx.msg.dcn.yahoo.com no longer work. You need to switch the server to cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com you should be able to login after doing so. Some third party clients have already updated and do login.
Comment by @ Jon T — June 6, 2008 #
The user above me is definitely correct. Try it Jon T it should work. Or wait until the respective authors of said third party clients update.
Comment by SGFC — June 6, 2008 #
it did not take long for the progammers to update there programs, people are using there room filler’s to lock up rooms again with there bot’s this suck’s i thought all of this was going to be fixed i knew it was only a matter of time now i cant get back into my room i enjoyed the most because someone filled it up with bots
Comment by chat rooms suck — June 6, 2008 #
Thanks for the help folks. I switched my servers to the ‘mud’ one, and can log in – however Adium still gets booted, with Meebo only working in one direction – outbound. Im seeing inbound messages dropped by both Meebo and Yahoo Web Messenger.
When using the Yahoo web messenger, some of my buddies messages are going through to me, some are being dropped. Very Strange. Unfortunately things are still not 100% functional. Anyone else seeing this kind of strangeness?
Comment by Jon T — June 6, 2008 #
@SGFC and Colin
u guys are so stupid if u think YTK pro guys are smarter than yahoo programmers….LOL u have no clue at all!!! u have no idea what it takes to maintain a yahoo server .!!! Lets face it yahoo is more concern on features that can be used by buddies and family members. I mean take for example photo sharing… the automatic playing of you tube links, games…environments etc. those are the cool features witch u and ur real buddies enjoy…friends don’t boot each other don’t they? Do u have an idea what it takes to implement those? nah don’t answer i know that u don’t LMAO
. Does MSN and Google offer this features? they don’t even have chat rooms LMAO. YM is the best free chat service in the planet! no if’s no buts end of story!
I’m telling u if those YTK guys applies for a real job in yahoo the only place that fits them is in janitorial service
….
Comment by YM user — June 6, 2008 #
@ YM user
Thats what I said Yahoo are more interested in a fancy looking Messenger with all sorts of useless stuff in it to play with..in other words it’s not a Messenger but just an entertainment centre with a chat room option.
But what happens when you get into the chat rooms..how many real people can you find?..not many..it’s all sex bots and trouble makers..you call that chat coz I don’t. At least I can ignore that sort of tripe by using Ytunnel or whatever.
MSN chatrooms quit coz they would have got busted otherwise for child porn and other stuff and Yahoo will go the same way if it’s not careful..so Yahoo better pull their finger out and fix their rooms..forget about all the fancy glossy addons coz they’re for the kiddies.
And SGFC..sorry I thought you were getting at me..as you say you get what you pay for..and in Yahoos case that’s no one listening and a crappy chat service.
Time for my dinner here..have a nice weekend everyone.
Comment by Colin — June 6, 2008 #
if you can have programs like ytunnl and ytk you will have bots and booters because if the makers of them can use messy that way what is to stop them ? bots will just do that watch them .same with booters. just food for thought
Comment by gzus — June 6, 2008 #
Centro Cell Phone Problem….. Ever since this upgrade happened – yahoo messenger does not work on any of our Centro cell phones… Does anyone know the fix? The pre installed program called IM doesnot work on yaho but works on the rest. Also I have Mundo IM on one phone and the same problem Yahoo messenger does not work. Once again does anyone have a fix?
“lucky”
Comment by luckyrer — June 6, 2008 #
Well, clients other that Yahoo! Messenger itself break the Yahoo! TOS, because they’re reproductions of the first party client (Messenger companions/add-ins don’t break the TOS). If these 3rd party clients are allowed to log in, then so can bots and booters. Bottom line: The solution is to lock out anything except the first party client (which of course would include the mobile versions of Y!M).
Now, if anything the “tools” are more of an enhancement than anti-boot these days. Don’t worry about the companions, they’ll live on regardless as they mainly enhance Yahoo! Messenger as it runs in memory, like fixing the “Ignore anyone not on my Messenger List” bug by overriding and replacing it with a zoning system, which is perfect.
If Windows Live Messenger can have addon programs like Messenger Plus which is used by millions, why can’t Yahoo! Messenger?
I use YTK not for the anti-boot options, but for the Messenger bug fixes and enhancements it provides. If Yahoo’s so “smart”, why can’t they properly fix their problems with the client? Why is it those whom make these addons fix those issues within Yahoo’s own client, or replace them with an even better system? Yahoo really should pay attention to these addons, especially YTK, since they do what Messenger should do.
The Messenger companions are a godsend. Respect to all of them, and keep on truckin’!
Regards,
Mr. Lawl
Comment by Lawl — June 6, 2008 #
M$ should just buy Yahoo and shut down the chatrooms for good that would show all these booters , spam bots and mic hogs!!!
Comment by me — June 7, 2008 #
Anybody else having a problem today with Yahoo? I log on and it connects me for like a nanosecond. Then later it says connecting but that’s it. Kinda curious…does everyone HAVE to upgrade to 9 beta? Thanks
Comment by RL — June 7, 2008 #
Yup, along with 1000’s of others it seems on Yahoo Answers.
Mailed tech support and their only response was to upgrade to v9 beta.
Think this may be the final nail in the coffin for Yahoo for me.
Comment by RootZero — June 7, 2008 #
Yahoo mobile seems working now. I’m already signed on.
Comment by rjay — June 7, 2008 #
my image does nnot display with the new 9.0 can u all fix tht? i can go to the old 8.o instead. i twas working fine there.
thanks
Comment by miguel g — June 8, 2008 #
Please yahoo does not stop chat room lockers. There is no more fun and it is fruistrating wholy
Comment by Ikram — June 8, 2008 #
Why we cant open our Yahoo MEssenger? and we downloaded the newest version but it cant be open?? whats the problem?? Is everybody also experiencing it…?
thanks
Comment by Jaypher — June 9, 2008 #
Since your recent system wide maintenance update many Mac Users are experiencing many problems. For instance, my jpeg pictures are no longer displayed on Mac 3.0 version of yahoo. MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT and hopefully this problem will be fixed to give Mac users a chat experience that includes the ability to have their images seen by those with whom they chat.
Comment by artbrutnewyork — June 9, 2008 #
Good work. The AC4 and SP1 data centers I presume? Why is it that cs125, cs126 and cs127 on the MUD servers exist, but they’re not usable?
Also, hope you know there are a couple server issues on all the servers.
1. All servers suffer from a bug where you don’t receive the chat leave packet when the 3 hour limit is up.
2. Some of the voice servers are messed up and not responding. Two of them don’t work, and two more cause a temp voice ban when using them.
Ah yes, so you guys know, Messenger v9.0.0.1389 beta suffers from an extreme bug where no webcam connection (TCP connection) is made to view cams when clicking on a user in the chat room and attempting to view their cam. Cam uploading/broadcasting works fine however.
Comment by Mr. Lawl — June 9, 2008 #
I had heard from a few folks that YMSG16 login code had been developed by some non Yahoo programmers but was not released into the public (yet). If it does come out, all the spam bots, mass iggies, booters will thrive once again even after the mud servers will be removed.
Comment by YM Chatter — June 9, 2008 #
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Personally, I don’t think this blog is the appropriate place to discuss third-party software that uses the Yahoo! Network, be it a messenger companion or a standalone chat client.
It’s not impossible to argue that developing a messenger companion is a violation of the Yahoo Messenger ToS, so raving on about them on a Yahoo blog doesn’t strike me as being a bright idea. It’s like playing with fire and hoping you don’t get burned.
Comment by Infinite Luta — June 10, 2008 #
I have the latest version but cannot log into the messenger, is there an outage or is there a system problem. I can get into my email and I can actually get into chat from there. I cant log in straight into messenger though. please assist, thank you!
Comment by wantu4mela — June 12, 2008 #
Luta> No, companions aren’t a violation of the TOS, unless they have some kind of login within them. Stuff like eye bots and profile scanners would be against the TOS, since they’re a reproduction of the first party clients. Since no companions have anything like this, they’re not breaking the TOS.
3rd party clients are indeed against the TOS though.
Comment by Venom — June 12, 2008 #
i facing a problem when i chat in yahoo messenger
Comment by avinash — June 15, 2008 #
not cool it sucks i mean it is realy booring…….
Comment by aaa — June 16, 2008 #