Chat update (sort of)
August 9, 2007 on 12:35 pm | In News |
Hi everyone,
Just a quick update to let you know that we’re getting closer to pushing out some fixes for the chat rooms. We’re continuing to work on improvements around performance and security. We really appreciate your patience as we get things ready. We’ll keep you posted here on the blog.
Thanks,
Sarah Bacon
Product Manager
well thats good that we are getting “some” updates…
Comment by Chris — August 9, 2007 #
Thank you Sarah, your update is very much appreciated.
Comment by Tommy — August 9, 2007 #
Please Sarah can you reply to me?
Will the yahoo chat be ever restored in the european versions of yahoo messenger? (e.g. the italian version)
Please do not delete this message…
Thanks for the update
Comment by Winstar — August 9, 2007 #
Why is so difficult to access Yahoo Chat Older & Wiser room? For the past month or so !
I understand such inability when rooms are FULL but otherwise? Cheesh!
Comment by Joseph Foulk — August 9, 2007 #
I hear that Yahoo IM is shutting down on August 17 because Yahoo no longer wants to provide free IM service. Is this true?
Comment by Greg — August 9, 2007 #
Thanks for another update. Keep em comin’!!!
@Greg - the answer is no. Do you think they’d make an update stating they are still working on things if they only planned to shut it down in a week?
Comment by Parry Hotter — August 9, 2007 #
yahoo messenger rocks!!!
Comment by dickalicker — August 9, 2007 #
V, I share your pain about future versions of Messenger.
Comment by Kiel — August 9, 2007 #
yahoo chat has become totally unusable!!
lags, rooms not working, disconects are to the point that I cannot use them anymore.
i hope these issues are fixed soon
Comment by stevengrant98 — August 9, 2007 #
One has to wonder how close is that “closer”.
Just a quick word please make sure people can’t use multiple chat ids in ATLEAST the SAME CHATROOM from SAME IP ADDRESS as this flaw alone causes so much trouble since booters lock the chatrooms and then keep them locked for days without logging out the bots. Please put a limit on the number of connections yahoo will allow to its chat servers from the same IP address. If you can make the servers allow just 2 or 3 connections at max to itself we’d be back in the good ol’ days when YMSG had such restrictions and chatrooms would be much more cleaner and FREE from BOOTERS.
Comment by Rick — August 9, 2007 #
That’s funny so many people have claimed problems with booters. I’ve gotten booted from chat alot of times but I couldn’t say it was a person in the chat room. Maybe it was just the software?
It would really be nice if the advertisers could get a possible fine for swamping the rooms with their “bots” and irritating people. Is there any way Yahoo! could do that?
Anyway, I look forward to the updates.
Comment by JC — August 9, 2007 #
Thanks for the “sort of” update. At least this shows that Yahoo finally noticed that keeping the users updated is important.
Comment by Gary — August 9, 2007 #
Hi,
Please just keep us more up to date on things like the new chat rooms, messenger for Vista & MAC. I would like to know the stages that these things are at and whats coming next and when will things come out. At the moment I am getting a better response from a brick wall.
Thanks, Brandon
Comment by Zooster — August 9, 2007 #
Funny with all the lagging and swipped text, the bots still manage to post their ads?!
Yahoo, get your act together, in all the 9 years I’ve used your service, this has been the worst its ever been, I hope your other services dont get this bad as I’ll have to find replacements for hosting and other services that you provide.
Comment by Joe Bloggs — August 9, 2007 #
[…] Yahoo! Messenger a ajuns la versiunea 8.1.0.413 cu un mic update la chat-room. […]
Pingback by BOGDAN’s BLOG - YM + Collection » Some updates — August 10, 2007 #
yep, spams and bots is a big problem. Keep a check on them. right now these rooms are pretty unusable.
Comment by White Eagle — August 10, 2007 #
*-:) How about a gender checker built in to yahoo !
Comment by quatschkoph — August 10, 2007 #
The updates do so much to reassure folks. I am in the chatrooms almost nightly.
The information gives many ammunition to stop rumors and refer folks to this page for the real scoop.
Please consider a page for status of service. It would go a long way to soothing fears and taking the wind out of the sails of some of the more vocal idiots that scare folks.
Comment by Donna — August 10, 2007 #
One word. PalTalk.
Comment by Laura Schilling — August 10, 2007 #
Thanks for the update Sarah. Even though it’s brief, it lets us users know you’re not blowing us off. I’m going to push the current stability of chat aside for now, although I will agree that as it currently stands Yahoo! Chat is pretty unusable.
Personally, I think the best way to deal with the chat spam is to identify the largest groups of spammers and pressing them with legal action to shut them down. After that, additional measures such as a CAPTCHA (letter verification image) and other restrictions can be imposed to help eliminate what’s left.
As for the “booting”, it would require a few changes to the YMSG protocol and Yahoo Messenger, but eliminating a good number of it is definitely possible. As it stands right now, if you get flooded with enough data the YMSG servers will disconnect you. If it wasn’t for that, many of the boot programs out their would lose their effectiveness. Also further restrictions on how many messages/invites can be sent with a certain time frame could help identify the boot bots and disconnect them rather than the victim. Another good idea is enforcing the ignore list and ‘ignore anyone not on my list’ features server side rather than client side (Yahoo! Messenger).
This is just my own view on the chat problems, though I (and I’m sure others) think that these are good idea that should be done.
Comment by Infinite Luta — August 10, 2007 #
I just downloaded PalTalk and was amazed at the clarity of the VC. The rooms did fine, and there were not so many bots. While I will always like the people I chat with in Yahoo better, I may have to go paltalk.. this “update” is taking way too long.
Comment by Goddess_Goldberry — August 10, 2007 #
what about the 18 seconds mic time limit???? when is that going to be increased again?
Comment by miranda — August 10, 2007 #
Paltalk is a pay chat. If you do not pay, you can view webcam only for 10 seconds, that is ridicolous
Comment by Winstar — August 10, 2007 #
LOL don’t listen to this tripe they are doing this to stop the vast amounts of complaints how gullible are you people
Comment by Karl — August 10, 2007 #
And, i do not understand the ones that want the mic time limit to be increased. I think it has been one of the best thing yahoo ever did!
Comment by Winstar — August 10, 2007 #
And, i do not understand the ones that want the mic time limit to be increased. I think it has been one of the best thing yahoo ever did!
Amen to that! the yahoo time stamp on voice was the best thing yahoo has implemented in a long time the only people who disagree are idiots who lock the mic for HOURS and wreck everyones chat experience or people who like to have a y! power trip and lock the mic.
Comment by Karl — August 10, 2007 #
I think the best thing yahoo could do is what i have mentioned before credit card verification on yahoo ids when you make them o some people will say i do not have a credit card you must have a bank/debit card who doesn’t own a bank account you need it for everything!. This would in turn eliminate mass id making if it was for example 11 ids per card number NO ONE needs more than one id but im thinking of family’s using yahoo etc.. it would also help to eliminate kids for chat yahoo is NOT a place for kids of course you do not need to be charged for it the number could be verified instantly without a charge yahoo already have credit card verification in there
change birth date page (in account info) implement this into making ids and sort the issues out once and for all no more bots/spam well not as much. they could do many things such as deactivate ALL yahoo illegals but then again its yahell they do not care this is more apparent now than ever keep up the empty promises sarah i for one do not belive that BS
Comment by Karl — August 10, 2007 #
Very informative update….said with a straight face
Comment by Pj — August 10, 2007 #
Well that sure is a sorta update kinda like not telling us anything much . I don’t understand why yahoo worked really well on 8-9-07 and now its back to nothin again. Are they just flippin switches there to see which one will work or what ??
I mean there is thousands of people on here every night wanting to have a good time.
But when yahoo is runnin good then you have the idiots botting up the room thinking they are bad boys when in fact they are idiots. if yahoo is recording IP’s why havent they done something to these people bottin up the room and bootin people off??
Is this in their updateing also ??
And one update in what like a month is doin a good job at tell the chatters ? c’mon surely they can take the time to post something more than once in a months time .
But then again what do you get for nothing ?
Comment by Judy Duwe — August 10, 2007 #
Sarah, I have sent so many E-Mails to Yahoo and they keep telling me that there is nothing wrong with Yahoo Messenger,even though there are so many people complaining about not being able to access Yahoo Messenger. I just sent some attachments of others with the same problem. It has not worked for me in at least four days. They keep telling me to do the same thing over and over again. I have already done that. Now you are saying there are problems with Yahoo Messenger. I told them that there is problems with the Servers and they keep saying No.
Comment by Mary Ann — August 10, 2007 #
Hmmm glad you are working hard to fix the chat rooms…things have gotten worse today. I cant seem to get into any chat rooms now. Keep up the good work (sarcasm).
You guys keep making it worse instead of making it better. With all this fumbling around it leads us to think either yahoo management is incompitent or their developers are??
Comment by dilbert — August 10, 2007 #
I think the unasked question is why should we trust Yahoo to fix these issues in a timely manner when they are the ones to let it deteriorate to this point without doing a darn thing to maintain it in the first place. Seems like all you want to concentrate on is making new plug-ins and smiley’s disregarding the entire lack of overall functionality in the program to begin with. One of the Trivia rooms I frequent has switched to PalTalk and the idea is looking more and more appealing…
Comment by Wayne Harke — August 10, 2007 #
I’m wondering why there aren’t more comments here, about how to fix the enourmous problems Yahoo must have with the rampant abuse of this free service.
Oh, and promoting a pay service like Paltalk, on a Yahoo blog isn’t very bright either.
Well, unless you are suggesting the only way Yahoo can fix the problem is to become MSN chat. We all know how big that went over.
I would expect Yahoo chatters to have a better idea than running away.
I suspect their servers are overwhelmed by abusive chatters, with 100 plus ID’s, but are trying not to restrict this service for the chatters who actually chat.
There has to be some sort of verification to limit the abuse. If that is what they are working on, I’m willing to wait it out, and deal with a plausible solution to this growing problem.
As a side note, during this slow down, I have wildcard ignored 49 porn bots in new ID’s in just one chatroom. Mind you, that’s just wildcard. There are at least ten of the same individual ID in each. That’s just in two days, when I’m paying attention (which isn’t all that much) To stop this, Yahoo will have to do something we probably won’t like too much. But if it stops wasting my time ignoring bots in mass, I’m all for it.
Perhaps monitoring ignores is one idea to narrow down who is abusing the program, but of course, I’m not a programer.
Security issues are an ongoing problem as well, as more and more people are learning how to exploit the internet.
So, if you want to blame someone, try blaming the abusers, not the program.
I would like to see more from the product manager about the problems they are facing with this very popular free program everyone always complains about. Ask us what we see, and maybe you will learn something about how to make it the best chat program on the planet.
Wouldn’t that piss Google off?
Comment by Judy — August 10, 2007 #
Dear Judy,
No.
Yahoo chat is not some kind of commune where everybody pitches in to solve maintenance problems. Yahoo is a large company whose goal is to make a profit. Even though chat is free to users, it figures into Yahoo’s revenue scheme. There are people who are paid to maintain and improve the chat service.
I’m not one of those people. Nobody who replies to these comments is one of those people. We are increasingly disgruntled users of the chat program.
The chatrooms, which Yahoo is (presumably) interested in perpetuating have gone to dogs. Yahoo has dropped the ball. I’m sure abuse is a problem. Guess what? There are people who are being paid to figure out how to deal with abuse and maintain uninterrupted chat service. They can’t do it anymore? They can’t do their jobs with the budget Yahoo has given them? Fine. No shame in that. Just come out and say it so that we can forget about chat and messenger (many of us will never have need to use Yahoo’s messenger again if and when chat dies, having other messenger programs we prefer anyway) and move on. If they’re going to get it fixed, then they need to provide some kind of timetable a little more precise than “We are moving forward”.
Just because we are not paying to chat, it doesn’t mean we are not consumers. Yahoo is, or wants to, make money off of us, and that’s swell. That’s how capitalism works. Someone provides a service, someone else uses the service, profit happens. The nice thing about being a consumer is, we don’t HAVE to offer “constructive criticism” or make “suggestions for how to fix the problem”. All Yahoo chat users are not going to put their heads together and make this the best darn chat service in the world. As consumers, all we have to do is say “This is broken. Fix it, or else”.
Hey Yahoo. Chat is broken. Fix it.
Comment by Sebastian — August 11, 2007 #
one thing for sure yahoo messenger with it’s chat window displays ads that are paid for, at the bottom of the chat screen as well as the bottom of the webcam window, although it is used freely.. webcam and chat rooms.. the ads provide a billboard so to speak for those who pay for their ads there and like all ads some are responded to others are just ignored and just plain there. so yahoo knows they are getting ‘paid’ for us using yahoo chat rooms by the sponsers of those ‘annoying’ ads.. gotta love .. for instance.. VHF/UHF broadcast, open channels for TV.. recieved freely with antennas and such .. with stations showing commercial spots so the service and programs viewed are ‘paid for’ ya capitalism! yahoo should note the failure of MSN chat rooms when it became a paid service, vs those chat room services that were a pay system in the first place, look at AOL chat rooms… poof in popularity and the rise of Yahoo chat rooms which is still free, they are not that stupid, and the sponsers for yahoo ads aren’t either
Comment by __ChAnDLeR__ — August 11, 2007 #
besides, booters do not need to be in a chat room to do the thing it does anywayz, it uses the common protocol used to send a IM/PM messege, and what d/c the peson is sometimes yahoo messenger..’crashing’ from the data heavily recieved… so what disconnects for some with darn good connection is a slow/older PC which ends up lagging so bad it crashes the program, ie errors out!
Comment by __ChAnDLeR__ — August 11, 2007 #
I’m glad that there is at least somewhere to go to get an update–albeit vague– on the current Yahoo problems. It is typical of how things have been lately that I got the link through Yazak.
Obviously there are many people who are upset, concerned, and aggravated about the current state of affairs in chat. As a courtesy to your faithful clients don’t you think you owe us at least your best educated estimate as to when you anticipate the problems being resolved? Are we talking hours? Days? Weeks? Also, it would go a long way to assuage your irritated clients if you could let us know specifically what changes we can expect when Yahoo finally gets on track. Rumors abound. For this degree of inconvenience I do hope you’re finally going to do something about the obscene number of porn bots, booters, chatters who try to lock down a room by flooding it with bots, and the ghost chatters—the ones that stay on the chatters list long after the chatter has exited the room. Sarah, if you’re in charge of communication with your users we’ll be expecting frequent updates. Frankly, we deserve it
Comment by Loretta — August 11, 2007 #
I have but one question.
Has management or the developers actually tried to use Chat lately and see what a horrid experience it has been for months.
I would like to have been a little bird in the room
where discussion was taking place between Yahoo and Microsoft over their im compatibility..
Laff
Comment by John — August 11, 2007 #
So how many comments do we have to post before the God’s at Yahoo start listening to us? The reason people are using 3rd Party Chat Clients is because they have features that makes Yahoo Messenger look third rate. What we like about the 3rd Party chat clients is the ability to wildcard ignore, user filters so we can auto iggy spammers, bots, and booters, a boot shield, more choices for smilies, an avatar that appears in the chat room when we post, auto connect instead of having to click on the room we want numerous times, and the ability to change chat servers if we have problems with logging onto one that isn’t working. Even before Yahoo Messenger was experiencing all of these chat problems I was using 3rd party chat clients just because of the features they had that left Messenger in the dust. If Yahoo doesn’t want us using 3rd party chat clients then Yahoo should look at these chat clients and try to incorporate these features into Messenger and start listening to us, The Users, to make Messenger good instead of chastising us for using 3rd party chat programs. Having an emoticon contest is just plain ignorant when Yahoo should be working on making Messenger more stable and useable instead of all these chat problems we are experiencing. So come on! Start listening to us instead of giving us empty promises about updates and then coming up with excuses about why it is taking so long to fix Messenger!
Comment by John — August 11, 2007 #
Breath some fresh air,take a vacation in graceland and you will be thankful that yahoo chat has been down..lol..
Comment by Botlogsss — August 11, 2007 #
I have to agree with judy….when Yahoo Chat was working one day I wildcarded about 300 ID’s just from one room! Maybe that is the main problem with using messenger is these bots who can make up 100’s of ID’s is less than 15 minutes and then bot up a room where nobody can use it or even get in. Then you have the immature idiots who want to get even with everybody so they start cloning other user’s ID and flooding a room…this is especially terrible in Politics Lobby and Washington Watch. And how come we have a hell of a time posting in the room but the bots seem to not have any problems posting but getting into a room when the rest of us have waited sometimes hours just to get into a room? Maybe Yahoo should make good on their word about our ISP being recorded and trace the bots and clones and start kicking them off and even taking legal action against them. They are making it terrible for the rest of us who don’t do this kind of thing.
So how long before the updates? Seems by the time Yahoo gets the updates ready most of us will be 6 feet under! Kind of hard to use a chat room from a grave. Are the developers and techs at Yahoo that incompetent that they can’t get the bugs worked out or is it that Yahoo simply doesn’t care and just keeps feeding us little tidbits about getting updates soon just to reduce the amount of criticism they are receiving? Come on Yahoo! We are not ignorant and stupid so quit treating us like we don’t know anything at all!
Comment by John — August 11, 2007 #
The thing is, things have gotten decidedly worse while the fixes are being worked on. You can’t log into chat whether in Messenger or a client. When you ARE able to log in takes forever to enter a room, that is if you even CAN enter a room because the room is full. Full with more sex-bots than real chatters and the names of chatters who have left and who’s names are stuck in the room. I’ve managed to get into a room that had been full (presumably because a chatter left) only to find maybe be ten chatters and the remaining forty slots filled with fifteen names of chatters who had left long ago and thirty-five sex-bots. Rediculous!
Comment by virginia_bard — August 11, 2007 #
it does seem to be going fairly slow right now. But if it’s all part of a greater plan to make things work better and fix the botting/booting problems finally then I think we can wait while they are rolling things out. I hope they at least fix the room lockings problem, that is very annoying. I think it’s possible to live with a porn box here and there that maybe will slip through the craccks but not a whole chat room full of them or people allowed to make up dummy names and lock a room up. Also people being allowed to hog the voice chat, there are people apparently using man names on voice chat or many connections or somehow, some kind of exploit, to get more voice time than is fair (or steal someone’s voice time even). That should definately be fixed or the voice chat should just be turned off by yahoo permanently if they can’t fix it and make it fair for everyone. I really think they should have some kind of active monitoring or help desk or something that you could pm maybe a new yahoo helper that way people could be caught in the act of botting/booting if enough people complained at once. Here’s hoping for some great fixes finally for messenger and the chat rooms.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — August 11, 2007 #
That’s funny so many people have claimed problems with booters. I’ve gotten booted from chat alot of times but I couldn’t say it was a person in the chat room. Maybe it was just the software?
It would really be nice if the advertisers could get a possible fine for swamping the rooms with their “bots” and irritating people. Is there any way Yahoo! could do that?
Hey I have seen that sometimes too. I think it sometimes is yahoo themselves or could be your connection even on occasion, so I dont think it’s always a booter. But it does happen a lot and apparently you dont have to be in a chat room at all, just logged into messenger. Once the booter has your yahoo id that’s all they need. Probably they usually get it from a chat room though
Comment by Make yahoo bot moderators — August 11, 2007 #
“besides, booters do not need to be in a chat room to do the thing it does anywayz, it uses the common protocol used to send a IM/PM messege, and what d/c the peson is sometimes yahoo messenger..’crashing’ from the data heavily recieved… so what disconnects for some with darn good connection is a slow/older PC which ends up lagging so bad it crashes the program, ie errors out!”
Exactly, and why yahoo needs to start authenticating on user’s preferences on their end and block extraneous packets from being sent to joe chatter or joe y! messenger user if they choose to block non-friends which typically will be non-trusted users. People are fooled into thinking they set their preferences to ignore IMs from non-friends or ignore chat room invitations and etc but dont realize yahoo is still sending them data from non-friends anyway. They need to either block it server side or not disconnect people when they are receiving too many packets. I think it should be obvious that most of the time people aren’t going to be getting thousands of IM packets or chat room invitations and etc within the scope of a few seconds (unless it is for malicious intent),. There is no reason to allow this kind of waste of bandwidth unless the data is appropriate, maybe a file transfer or webcam data, etc. Really it just wastes yahoo ’s bandwidth and the user’s as well.
Comment by Make yahoo bot moderators — August 11, 2007 #
Paltalk is free for the basic service. You pay extra for webcams and other extras. So, it is either go to yahoo and have my posts eaten and dropped, or i can go to basic Paltalk and atleast chat in VC and text. I think I will go Paltalk until yahoo gets their shit together.
Comment by Goddess_Goldberry — August 11, 2007 #
that’s a load of crap john. text is not working for everyone in the room where i am in. the problem lies with yahoo. 3 or 4 post per hour showing up is ridiculous.8-}
Comment by miranda — August 11, 2007 #
I would just be happy to be able to get into chat at this point. Thanks for the update even though its totally meaningless. Must be embarrassing having to constantly lie to your customers all the. Is Sarah even your real name?
Comment by paddler — August 11, 2007 #
by the way im on an older computer
pentium 500 mhz 128 mb ram
and they cant lag me with that config
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 11, 2007 #
using yahoo messenger to get into a chatroom? no thanks!!! getting booted easely, no knocking feature, not all the smileys available, no refreshroom option, no perm ignore, no ignoring whilest clicking on name on mic etc… etc…
Comment by miranda — August 11, 2007 #
yahoos a fluke as you can see no updates ..mirror image as always n now they are getting rid of photos ..so as to think there will never be a yahoo chat as used to be….good luck in the future but as of 4 yrs n going now i dont see any
Comment by jonna — August 11, 2007 #
and yahoo seriusly need to stop proxy connections
that would sort out an imense amount of booters and laggers and just general exploitation of the yahoo network ***PORNBOTS*** ! ! !…
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 11, 2007 #
they say they fixing it and they broke it a little more, so they got to get somthing right sooner or later. lets just see what happens
hey yahoo fixer people ! ! !
would it be too much trouble as per meany previus posts, to let everyone trying to join and those in chat and to just genrally let your users know what the heck is going on maybe echo some of your official postings as chat SYSTEM/NETWORK MESSAGES. lie hey were trying to fix it sorry for the state chat is in right now, rest assured we are fixing it soon and hope to provide our users with a better service for the future.. some thing like that dont tell me thats too much trouble. causethat would have been more effective than this stupid blog that
seems funny that yahoo create a blog seperate from chat and not post any system messages dont you think ?
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 11, 2007 #
First, Paltak has moderators. Yahoo chatters generally don’t like that.
Second, Millions of people all over the world use this service, not thousands.
I know Yahoo chat is basically a venue for getting “eyes” as a means of promoting their other services that actually make money.
But tell me. How many chatters actually click on those links? Also, third party clients use Yahoo servers, which is why they can devote so much more time to bells and whistles. If they had to provide their own servers, they wouldn’t exist.
Yahoo goes through this now and again. Once it’s fixed (sort of) everyone who ran away will come back.
That’s the key.
You complain, but never leave.
Like Hotel California.
Comment by Judy — August 11, 2007 #
I just wish that it worked with Vista, wish I could get into rooms when we want to, get rid of the damn bots to make room for people who want to chat, get rid of the booters who screw up the rooms, get into rooms when we want to, worked with Vista, get into the rooms with out getting the comment of “no responce from server”, get in the when we want to, worked with Vista, wish I could get into rooms when we want to, get rid of the damn bots to make room for people who want to chat, get rid of the booters who screw up the rooms, get into rooms when we want to, worked with Vista, get into the rooms with out getting the comment of “no responce from server”, get in the when we want to, worked with Vista, wish I could get into rooms when we want to, get rid of the damn bots to make room for people who want to chat, get rid of the booters who screw up the rooms, get into rooms when we want to, worked with Vista, get into the rooms with out getting the comment of “no responce from server”, get in the when we want to, GET THE IDEA YAPOOP?
Comment by Cuppers — August 11, 2007 #
i am extremely dissappointed in yahoo lagging now 3months on end when are you gona sortt out your problems and let us chat like we used or is theer a hidden agenda behind all of this.yahoo wake up smell the coffee
Comment by hawequas — August 11, 2007 #
i hope while yahoo is making the new modifications and hardware switch they will change things so it works with yahoo messenger only (from yahoo). these other programs like yahlite and etc aren’t needed if yahoo can fix things finally and have it work better as it should, that is the only reason those other programs probably exist and i think some of those same people are that are behind those programs are somehow connected with the booting and problems no doubt. why do they call that program yah lite anyway? doesn’t make sense i have seen screen shots, it looks a LOT more complicated than regular messenger nothing light about that. regular messsenger from yahoo themselves is all people will ever need, if they can finally make their system and messenger work better!
yahoo (jeff/sarah)– please fix it somehow to only work with regular yahoo messenger so we dont have to have these other rogue programs and booter writers connecting to yahoo after your fixes that would probably just leave things back where they started.
thanks you
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — August 12, 2007 #
i think saray /jeff are doing a good job of having this blog and letting people make comments about the messenger and chat, why are you guys flaming them all the time? even if it is slow now maybe its all for the greater good in the long run?
i could put up with crippled chat or even messenger for a while if they are working on it to improve things, i think that is fair as long as things are happening. we should be paitient and hopefully things will improve. also die hard fan comment how to protect yourself from booter–lol i dont think most people can do that i think yahoo has tof ix it on their end but if there are people that can set that all up and understand what you said thats great lol, but hopefully yahoo will get it working. i think messenger alone is all that is needed myself, as long as it will work correctly for getting into the cvhat rooms i think that is the problem, yahoo is allowing anyone that makes these other programs to make illegal connections to their service and they should maybe control that more. i am hoping they will make it work so only yahoo messenger itself can connect, then nobody has an advantage and noone can booter and make bots/etc, except for yahoo itself.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — August 12, 2007 #
I totally agree with Roger & Hawequas….If its not broke..dont fix it! Yahoo is trying to improve things but instead making it worse and impossible to chat in the rooms. Please go back to the old version…its sooooooo much better. Who cares if bots are in the room..so of them are cute…check out the Trivia bot in Islam Chat:6,,you actually learn things from it!! Please Yahoo…..do something and fast !!!
Adara
Comment by Adara Muslimah — August 12, 2007 #
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My other blog messages were on here for quite a while and now they are off. They were not offensive at all. Someone is deleting blog messages,
Comment by Mary Ann — August 11, 2007 #
Yes yahoo remove all things they see as negative (or try to) however lol look @ all the other subjects smiley’s,emotions and genral crap no one cares about what do they have 10 comments max??? it is blatantly obvius what people want NO SPAM is the main concern but then again id rather Spam than the lagg all the old functions are disappearing you can not even add a pic to your profile anymore rendering them utterly pointless apart from info Yahoo has been in decline since the user rooms were removed i honestly can not see a fix coming soon in the foreseeable future No chance notice how they post a umm ”update” if you can call it that then get back to mindless features NO ONE CARE ABOUT EMOTIONS how on earth can someone write so many blogs about frigin smiley’s blows my mind lmao i personaly do not even bother to go into yahoo chat anymore i suggest you lot do the same ITS NOT GOING TO BE FIXED its been like it well over a YEAR it would have been fixed a long time ago remember when they used to patch the logins every 3 months that was when yahoo cared about chat now they obviously do not the ONLY way they will fix it is if they start loosing money from sponsors via the ads etc.
Comment by Karl — August 12, 2007 #
ok here go’s if you want to protect yourself against booters.
you will need only 3 things,
any old modem that lets you forward ports via it’s web based interface and any old router that has a built in firewall and last but not least a good yahoo 3rd party client that protects you against floods and boots, and example is my setup = standard westell launchmodem as my service provider is bellsouth or sould we now say at&t seen as bellsouth was took over by at&t anyway this perticular modem has a web based interface as meany other modems do wich alows you to set all kinds of things how you access this interface is by typing launchmodem in the address bar of your browser or alternatively if you type in the ip address of the modem which in this case is 192.168.1.254 it will bring up the interface from there you can click “NAT/Gaming Configuration” button and forward 5000 to 5009 this perticular modem has a preset for yahoo listed under the Predefined Services list and thus no manual work will be required also from the interface you can find your wan ip address useful for defining the source in your router firewall settings ok so set the yahoo port forward and reeboot the modem after now onto the router firewall please note not all routers have a firewall built in but most do. mine is a DLink di604 this webbased interface can be accessed thru opening another browser window/tab and typing in the address bar 192.168.0.1 and a logon window will appear wanting your username and password this should be set to the default admin= admin and password should just be blank so all you need to do is type admin in where it asks for the username (i suggest setting a password at some point) once you hit enter you will see an interface much like the modems, from her you can click the advanced tab and chose firewall from the list column now here is where you set firewall rules, seen as my wife and eldest doughter dont have a problem with boots in rooms as much as i do i set mine to only block the yahoo ports for my computer only each computer connected to the router has a local ip address to identify it on the network mine is 192.168.0.102 so i set that as the destination and as for the source this is where you enter the wan ip address can be gotten from the modem in the westell is marked in the modem interface as wan ip address, enter it in as the source and as for protocol i blocked every one of them tcp, udp, icmp, this meant creating 3 entrys the same appart from the protocol to block dont forget to click enable and set them to deny traffic (DENY) shedule = always, i set the range of ports to block to 4999 to 5010 just to make shure as sometimes bleed over happens to surrounding ports when they recieve traffic overflows, didnt know what the label the entrys so just labled them appropriately as Yahoo Boot Protection. lmao. ok now open yahelite and chat away, and see if they boot you this time :-). should you need to you just go back in and select disable and click the checkmark icon and do the same for all 3 entrys and everything will be reversed and i suggest leaving the entrys in there instead of deleting them and recreating them each time a word to the wise if you reboot or turn off your modem for eany reason your wan ip address will change and you will need to go back into each entry and change it as source from the new ip address. all done just fire up yahelite and chat away the packet meter may still go a little crazy but not at the rate it would do and you shouldnt get disconnected this time once i set this i was in a chatroom where they booted everyone out with the best booters and i challenged them to boot me with everything they had over 3 days and they couldnt boot me i was rock solid in there needless to say i had the last laugh. please note that this will block advanced features like file transfers and private messages (pm’s) webcam etc… from working.
this is posted as a temporary fix till yahoo sort things out. too meany people are getting their computers killed by maxing out the processor trying to process the flood packets on all ports. and also when their computer crashes it auto reboots and looses data and also crash reeboots create bad sectors on hard drives and damage the hard drive disk itself.
but currently yahoo is in my oppinion and meany others quite unusable at present.
kind regards: Die Hard Yahoo Fan.
OMG what tripe there are 2 main! ways to currently be unbootable on the yahoo network you can use a 3rd part client such as Yahaven and use ”gawd” mode or if using yahoo messenger you can use in Prefrences>Connection then you can use the option firewall with no proxies this in turn will force yahoo to use http queries instead of ”normal” ymsg ones this however will not let you have voice but the lagg will be significantly less since its a whole different protocol altogether BUT if loads use it the lagg will return :l as it is now since Yazak etc has the option to use this however this option is VERY unstable .
Comment by Karl — August 12, 2007 #
C’mon people. Yes this is a trying time, yes we have been waiting for what feels like decades. But if I read correctly in an earlier post, the “Entire corporate tech department” of Yahoo chat consists of a good four or five people. Now yes, this does not excuse the fact that there are no definite answer to when these problems will be fixed, but I’m sure this band of few are pulling over time trying to fix this problem. Don’t blame people like Sarah, blame the company that seems to think fixing things should be like a late night check out lane. Staffed by as few people as possible, even though they have so many others wandering out there.
Comment by Will — August 12, 2007 #
have any of you guys tried paltalk, its free you can create your own free room no booters,no bots,i have my own room and all my friends hang in there,try it you mite like it,give it a try some of you people are so stuck on yahoo try some new,you mite like it
Comment by markj — August 12, 2007 #
People, people…you act like yahoo chat having problems is the end of the world. How bout if chat is not working you go read a book or something. Or learn a programming language and apply for a job at Yahoo to help them fix the problems…sheesh… what a bunch of whiners.
Comment by Jack Hammer — August 12, 2007 #
I suggest we start communicating our displeasure with Yahoo directly to their ADVERTISERS.
Yahoo LIKES pornbots, roombots, and ghost-nicks. It allows Yahoo to artificially inflate the user count they promote to their advertisers. Advertisers might appreciate knowing they’re being defrauded, and that they are advertising to the largest DISSATISFIED customer base in the corporate world.
And thanks for the Paltalk tips. I’m going to look at it right now.
Comment by fred — August 12, 2007 #
I remember the olden days. Chat was fun, you’d log in, skip through a few rooms, and find a few interesting people to talk to. Now that seems like a wildly far of fantasy, since chat has been completely broken and non functioning for about a year now.. doodooddeeedoo.. ho hum.. yawn.. whats new on the net?
Comment by Fred — August 12, 2007 #
Hi Sarah
Well, it has been a few days now since your last update. I know the crack Yahoo staff has been working tirelessly to improve service since then so we’d all be curious to know how close we are to resolution of Yahoo chat’s plethora of problems. We are owed way more than another vaguely worded snippet. If we don’t get some sort of concrete time frame I can only assume you’re floundering and things are really bolloxed up.
Though I do appreciate the effort that a couple of posters have put into telling us how to fight booting, I am simply not enough of a tekkie to understand what the heck they are talking about. Until Yahoo gets its act together I’ll just stick with Yazak. I never get booted when I’m on Yazak.
It would be a logical courtesy if you would post updates concerning the status of your repairs upon entry into chat (where you currently post the message about recording IP addresses.) Just curious, what DO you do with those addresses? I know several completely obnoxious booters and botters that have been reported multiple times by multiple chatters and nothing ever comes of it.
I do think the suggestion by one poster to make your advertisers aware of our dissatisfaction with your service is a very good one.
Comment by Loretta — August 12, 2007 #
I think after all of the security suggestions made by many of us who have commented here, Yahoo may be considering those things and working to implement them. I know I (and others) have challenged Yahoo to provide fixes that actually work, and it is reasonable to believe that delays are caused by exactly this. How many of you could implement SiteKey on your site, and how long would it take you? What if you added OpenID? Or a RSA security dongle (like paypal now has)? As if that wasn’t enough, how about having to choose between those options and the others that exist and seeing if you can keep all (or at least most) of your customers happy?
Yes, Yahoo makes a sum of money via advertising, but is money the solution to every problem? Surely not - and if you disagree, you do not know much about money.
That does not excuse Yahoo for letting the condition of the chatrooms deteriorate to the degree that has occurred. We all hope - likely even Yahoo employees hope - that the problems can be fixed to truly solve problems and prevent future problems. Can Yahoo know what those who want to exploit their service will do next? Probably about as well as you can pick the winning lottery numbers with accuracy ahead of time. The truth is that just as other programs get updates, I am certain that the ad/porn bots will get an update also. An solution provided by Yahoo will be temporary at best. A new exploit will be found and shared and 1000’s of script kiddies will have access to it. Another method of selling porn, or 4×4’s, or enlargement pills, or whatever WILL BE FOUND AND USED. The reason why is simple.
Yahoo has 350,000,000 unique users per month - and while those are last years figures, you think that number has not increased? That is a huge potential market that can’t be ignored by desperate marketers. If you think Yahoo isn’t looking for a way to deal with that, you are wrong. Yahoo sells advertising - they are not in business to provide free advertising. They didn’t restructure, they haven’t changed their business model. If they had, I would have read it in the Wall Street Journal, and that hasn’t happened. What has happened is that Yahoo received enough complaints to pass the required threshold which requires action. Nothing more. So the changes you WILL see, WILL arrive, and WILL be effective.
It also WILL take time. Let these people do their jobs, stop flaming, and give useful suggestions - real world suggestions - not some fantasy solution that can’t be implemented.
Comment by Mike C. — August 12, 2007 #
hey CARL
if what i described is set up right it makes you about as bootable as you can get on yahoo the booters ar hitting ports 5000 to 5009 stands to reason if you block them ports and connect on a differnt port say 5050 like yahelite does you aint gonna get booted IT WORKS ! end of !
why are you going on about yahzak zack and all the rest of the 3rd party client makes hang out in yahoo chat help 1 and well you know what hand out there long enough and you will see wave after wave of people saying to zak his program(yahzak) caused critical errors on their system zaky boy smokes waaayy too much of the wackybacky if you ask me and a lot of others thats all he does is sit in yahoo chat all day smoking wackybackyand quite frankly i was in yahoo chat help 1 and me and another guy was talking and he busted in our nice conversation and said that our topic of conversation wasnt for the yahoo help chat and proceded to boot us both and he also brought a voice lagger on the room too but luckily he couldt boot his way out a wet paper bag and he didnt even get to boot me but the person who i was talking to he managed to boot 10 mins later the other guy was in straight messenger by the way lmao.
so keep trying to call my postings tripe and try to lick of the zackyboys REAR and promote a chat client that destabilizes peoples operating systems and crashes them made by a person who also makes booters, sit there and try to promote a chat client from a person that uses copius amounts of wackybacky and does nothing in life but sit in yahoo chat 24-7 talking absolute garbage.
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 12, 2007 #
and CARL
i realize my entry is a little on the large side and reposting it is just being silly and scrolling the blog
make a referance next time, MORON !
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 12, 2007 #
yes text is still lagging and i cannot get any text to show up i have 2 names in one room and cannot see either name posting to the room and none can see any of the posts from eachother
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 12, 2007 #
i think mike c is correct i stated something similar.
and now we can see sarah was nice enough to post an udpate why its working slow–how do we know it’s not going slow due to the changes being implemented? everybody should have thought about that before flaming them.
sarah i am hoping eventually the changes will block these other programs though from makign illegal connections to your services and you can make it somehow that only the real yahoo messenger can connect with your system. i think that is the problem, these other programs some of whcih may be these exploiter programs or botter/booter, are able to connect to you thus causing the problems. i like the real yahoo messenger the best, it has everything i need, those other programs are mainly just exist to try to fix things yahoo didnt have. but also they allow people to cause continuing problems too! so that is really no help. i also like that the real messenger has the moving smileys and yahoo games & music.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — August 12, 2007 #
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Sarah, thank you for telling us that the rooms will be closed for awhile tomorrow for maintenance. Sharing that kind of information is definitely appreciated. I hope you will share your honest assessment as to how your fixes worked and what is left to be done after tomorrow’s work is done.
I do find it funny that Yahoo deleted my comment that the posts from people who are obviously Yahoo employees made me giggle. Them deleting that post also made me giggle.
Comment by Loretta — August 12, 2007 #
Lol you seem to have it in for zack i do not know him.. i dont care who the hell he is if yazack crashes your system o boy do you have pc issues
the booters ar hitting ports 5000 to 5009 stands to reason if you block them ports and connect on a differnt port say 5050 like yahelite does you aint gonna get booted IT WORKS ! end of !
Blocking ports….. you even know how booting works seriously? yahelete does not connect using proxy if it did you would be using http queries and then would NOT get voice LOL craig of ymlite makes booters big deal deepthawt sells drugs on line did you know that of course you did not…. ok booting works by causing a buffer overflow yahoo then says hang on a minute and disconnects you if your Internet connection can not download the information faster than it is sent you go BYE BYE regardless of the ”ports” you can use yahelete yazack ANYTHING if you can not download it faster than its sent then you will be booted yahelete not bootable? are you for real lmao it does not have protection @ all hardly no gawd mode no c mode nothing…………. booting is a match of bandwidth simple as! a person on dial up would NEVER boot someone on cable/dsl unless they had certain amplification packets etc o god in fact never mind and its Karl with a K by the way
Comment by Karl — August 12, 2007 #
Just wait,yahoo is doing the best they can and remember its a free service..Patience is virtue”….
Comment by PorkMe — August 12, 2007 #
So the chatrooms will be closed for a few hours tomorrow ? - hey that will be a great improvement on being useless 24/7 - maybe you can do it every day !!!
Comment by leigh — August 12, 2007 #
Yahoo hurry up with this maintenance! My kids are getting upset not being able to login Yahoos.
5 PCs , 5 Kids , 5 Yahoo Messengers , 1 ISP (1 IP) , 1 Router.
We getting bored here now , we all been using PalTalk and we’re growing to like more using it every day.
Comment by Dave (Yahoo Chat Fanatic) — August 12, 2007 #
Unfortunately you can’t please everyone.
I have been frustrated with the service interruptions only with respect of it being unavailable without advance notice of such scheduled maintenance foreseen by Yahoo Inc.
However, I have at least found this messenger blog useful to get notice on occasion of any new interruptions to come.
Beggars can’t be choosers i guess; it’s a decent product though I’ll just be patient with the updates.
Comment by Albert — August 12, 2007 #
I see all this stuff about Paltalk. First of all Paltalk has spyware and adware. Just a piece of crap. I’m just as frustrated as other users with the Yahoo chat rooms. I just have to be patient and hopefully they will fix the problems. I use YTunnel but this has been so bad that I cannot log into the rooms. There are alternatives. I also go into the AOL chatrooms and thats very stable. Here is a list of things that I think yahoo needs to do for the chat rooms to be good again.
1.Yahoo needs to have an take away the proxy support that allow bot exploits.
2.Also put a captcha system.
3. Credit / debit card age verification like AOL has.
4. One Ip address restriction to one username.
5. Bring back the user created rooms.
Thats my two cents.
Comment by Ray — August 12, 2007 #
Thanks for the heads up about chat being down on Monday. Otherwise it would have been difficult to tell.
Comment by pivotal.points — August 12, 2007 #
Can anything be done to Increase the 300 character limit Yahoo has? This seriously slows down text chat, forcing people to break down text in to such small groupings that the room has “moved on” before whole concepts can be expressed clearly. This has the effect of rendering the passing along of advanced concepts nearly impossible.
Comment by Larry Woodruff — August 12, 2007 #
Advanced concepts? What like green eggs and ham? Use email for your advanced concepts. It doesnt have a 300 character limit. Thanks me later!
Comment by Jack Hammer — August 12, 2007 #
@ Ray -
You say this is a list of real world solutions? I disagree and here is why.
1.Yahoo needs to have an take away the proxy support that allow bot exploits.
- possible, yet difficult to implement. New proxies are opened every day. Yahoo should hire a staff to find proxies, just so they can be blocked?
2.Also put a captcha system.
- CAPTCHA has flaws, take a look at the amount of bots advertising on Yahoo Games. CAPTCHA has been active there for over two months and hasn’t solved the problem. A more effective solution is authentication like OpenID. This type of solution is very diffcult to automate. An even better idea that already uses an item that millions already have is a code being texted to your cell phone like my bank does. There are also RSA developed dongles with a code that changes every 60 seconds or so, and these devices are gaining in popularity AND can be used on more than one website and for more than one user. Well, more than one user isn’t good, but a limit can be placed on how many and what types of accounts this can be used for. Family accounts is a good example of this.
3. Credit / debit card age verification like AOL has.
- Not everyone has a credit card. These types of authentication / verification have been discussed before. Please look at the archive from May as well as the two or three other posts on chat rooms besides this one.
4. One Ip address restriction to one username.
- This isn’t reasonable. There are universities that share a single IP with thousands of users, and a lot of them probably use Yahoo. This also is unfair to those in developing countries where ISPs may have the bandwidth, but are having trouble obtaining the number of IPs that they need to operate their company within this condition you would like to see. Unreasonable, and unfeasible.
5. Bring back the user created rooms.
- Yahoo has said this is not going to occur. I agree with them on this one. I’m not fond of those who exploit children, and that is the reason the user rooms where removed. They aren’t coming back. One bad apple spoiled it for everyone. You can vent your frustrations on those who used the service to exploit children for this lack of rooms.
I want to let you know that I am not a Yahoo employee, they didn’t pay me, I don’t reap any benefits. I’ve subscribed to a couple of their services, like launch and personals before, but I don’t think that just because I gave them $100 over two years that they will always agree with me. I’ve tried to represent the big picture to you. Sometimes that is a difficult thing to accept - that things aren’t going to get any closer to what you as the consumer want. Yahoo would never say to you to change services if you don’t like what they provide or the way they provide it. I won’t go quite that far, but I will say that if Yahoo isn’t meeting at least half of what you think you need from the service, you can always explore other options. Sad, but true. Yes, I know all your friends are here. Yes, I know you aren’t one of those bad people (I don’t, but will make the assumption and I hope that’s alright with you). Unfortunately, the few who inject code, find exploits, consolidate them into a script, post them - those are the ones that have created the mess that is Yahoo today. It is not personal, I can guarantee you that. It is about creating a satisfactory (key word!) experience for as many as possible. Also keep in mind, you get what you pay for. You do not pay for messenger. You do not pay for games. You do not pay for chat. You do not have to pay to use 75% of Yahoo services. That is one hell of a deal my friend, and it looks to me like the satisfaction ratio is probably about that high, but probably higher - closer to 95%+.
I think you’ve seen a few things that look good on the surface, but you didn’t dig deep enough. Hopefully the information you get from users with a bit more experience will help you to stay safe on the internet. I know I lived in the clouds for a couple of years, but wised up after I saw the range of things that can be done that are good and bad, useful and useless, effective and wasted code. Time can only show you these things. Until then, take my word for it, or do some research related to all of the matters you’ve brought up. Hopefully you will even discover some of the things that I’ve omitted from this post for brevity.
Comment by Mike C. — August 12, 2007 #
ray paltalk is not a piece of crap can you make your own room in paltalk lots of my friends have gone over to paltalk,we got sick of looking at the porn bots in the room taking up space,we got tired of being booted,lagg, so right now yahoo chat sucks,will yahoo be like it was 7 years ago i dont think so,to many exploits in yahoo people cracking other people accounts yahoo chat is garbage and i dont think it will never be like it was PALTALK ROCKS
Comment by markj — August 12, 2007 #
I think having a CAPTCHA step in the log in process is a great idea! It can be implemented in various ways, some of which are easier for the devious to get around. For instance if what is displayed in the captcha box is a graphic, then it is easier to get around than if it is a series of randomly generated numbers/letters created on the fly.
Comment by pivotal.points — August 12, 2007 #
@ pivotal.points
You might want to brush up on captcha a bit. Listening to a few podcasts @ TWiT wouldn’t hurt either.
http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-101.htm (text of podcast RE: CAPTCHA)
CAPTCHA is nice, but it doesn’t solve nearly as many problems as OpenID does. I think your point is better if you say that it is server side, but why should you rely on Yahoo for all of your security? I don’t put all of my eggs in one basket, and no one else should either. This point becomes even more academic when you consider that if you WANTED to do so, you could not.
Yahoo does not provide firewall software.
Yahoo does not provide antivirus software (yes I am aware of the norton bundle with the toolbar, yet this is not a default option)
Yahoo does not provide an OS for you to run on your computer.
Yahoo does not provide internet service (although they do partner with at least one company that I am aware of).
Yahoo also does not require that you do anything other than password protect your account. There are no requirements of upper and lower case letters and numbers and or symbols. If everyone were required to use one of the five real options available, many of the problems you currently have with messenger and chat would become so small they would require no attention whatsoever.
Those five options are:
OpenID
Cardspace / other equivalent
RSA Dongle
Texting code to cell phone
Credit Card number
Now the question really becomes, if given the option do you have access to at least one of those things? The resounding answer is that yes, you do. OpenID is free and there are already hundreds of providers.
Seriously, what do you think Yahoo will do? create a certificate for you
Comment by Mike C. — August 12, 2007 #
AND …
A CardSpace type application is either integrated or available for every major Operating System including OSX, Windows XP/Vista, and Linux. That means two choices are available to everyone. I suspect for a very high percentage of Yahoo users, it would be three or four of these things (cell phone and/or credit card)
CAPTCHA looks primitive compared to what is available.
Comment by Mike C. — August 12, 2007 #
ok here you go karl with a K a simple flood of data can knock you offline if you are unable in any way to keep up with the processing of that data if you block all the ports that data is coming thru
the data gets turned away bounced of the firewall instead of being processed.
what dont you understand well you claim to be up on how booters work my friend. im not going to discount what you said about the problem lays with people not being able to process the data quick enough you right there but if the ports are blocked nothing attempts to process the data just turns it away. i think your trying to discount my method of stopping yahoo booters well tell you what post back on here what room you want me in and you can invite the best booter crews with the best booters on yahoo in the room of your choice (please make it a room without any other innocent chatters)
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 12, 2007 #
Just commenting on some of the suggestions to improve Yahoo chat. First, not everybody has a credit/debit card so using that as a security method will only make a number of people unable to use chat because they don’t have this. Lets not assume everybody has a credit/debit card.
I have used Pal Talk and the major problem is the room administrators can bounce you out of the room for almost anything, even including not liking you or trying to get even with you. People who praise Pal Talk left out the part about room administrators being censors and limit what you can post in a Pal Talk chat room.
What I would to see but Yahoo probably won’t implement them is implementing some of the features on other chat clients that outshine Messenger, such as auto ignore, user defined filters, better smilies and more choices in smilies, having a personal avatar that appears in the chat room everytime you post, harder to be booted in, and what I really like is not having certain words appear with ***** like in Messenger. That really irritates me since I frequent the political chat rooms and most of our adults and certain words I use appear as **** in Messenger. Maybe have a filter for words where the user can select if he/she wants these words to appear on their chat screens.
Another suggestion is increase the room sizes. We go to certain rooms because we have friends in there we have been chatting with for a long time and when the room is full at 50 we either have to wait to get in or get re-directed to another chat room that we really don’t want to go to. Maybe increase the size to 100 chatters instead of the 50 like it is now.
Maybe the techs at Yahoo should look at the features in other chat clients and incorporate them into Messenger. That is one of the main reasons people have been using other chat clients because of the features they have, especially the ability to block booters and not get booted out.
Yahoo says they are going to shut down the chat servers tomorrow to do maintenance on them. I hope they can get it back up and running like it was before all the problems started appearing,
Comment by John — August 12, 2007 #
Well , why dont yahoo ” PATCH ” there servers to stop the booters and bot makeing programs? would solve a lot of problems, atleast with irc there are admins in the room to remove annoying people.
Why dont they do that, put a Admin bot in all the rooms, set it to trigger if certan things happen or are said, then wham it kicks them out of chat and Chat Banns them for 24 hours >? or just change the login part so you cant make multipul chat names n shit. it normaly takes me 45 - 60min to get in to a chat room and thats on a 8Mb ADSL line ? like WTF! im about to give up and delete yahoo off my computer for good.
Comment by Aaron — August 12, 2007 #
Yes they need to patch it so it blocks and stops the abusive chatters and room botting and etc, and all the problems that are caused. You could have room administrators, I dont know how paltalk is supposed to work, but it sounds like that might be a case of not being professional. Maybe they have just the opposite problem at paltalk, they have too much moderation and not enough freedom. AT yahoo they have just the opposite, but you have to have something? otherwise its like streets with no cops on the street, where people can feel “safe” to abuse and throw vulgarities and etc at other chatters and they can feel safe to do it because they are using these exploit and able to hog the voice chat and etc even if someone ignores them
Yes they need to fix it and delete the users causing the problems.
Yahoo removed my listing of known room lockers and booters in some rooms why? Lets see if we have this right–you allow them to keep doing this, but people complain and you not only do nothing, but remove the complaints?
Comment by the_bots_gotta_go! — August 12, 2007 #
The updates must be taking place as everything is completely fubard right now. Hopefully good things are happening.
Comment by Parry Hotter — August 12, 2007 #
I forgot that I wanted to post this… You can permanently disable the chat filter by going to start/run and then entering in the following: REG ADD HKCU\Software\yahoo\pager /v WordFilter /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f Hopefully this will be fixed soon in the next Messenger release, and the reason the settings don’t “stay put” within messenger itself is that it’s looking in the wrong place in the registry thus resulting in it applying the default settings.
Comment by Parry Hotter — August 12, 2007 #
I see a bunch of people on here complaining about yahoo and how long the updates are taking. If you stop and think about how many users there are in yahoo, add to it the bots (which it was posted before they were working on trying to remove) and appreciate the “free” entertainment they provide, you all sound pretty silly. Yahoo! does what it can to fix the problems at hand. As for the booters, if you ever notice that they seem to quit working for a period of time and then it starts again, that’s yahoo at work. These programmers are smart and they find ways around what yahoo does. I say you should all appreciate the fact that yahoo is still free and you don’t have to pay for it at all. As for the comment about limiting names….I have quite a few, and when my mood changes, I change my name. That’s one thing I like about yahoo. Just because you don’t like the multiple names, don’t try to ruin things for those that just enjoy chatting using different names at times. Not everybody with lots of names is trying to ruin chat for everybody else.
Good luck on those updates today Sarah, I really hope it atleast takes away the lag and font swiping.
Comment by Ann — August 13, 2007 #
Hi Sarah,
Following on from everyone else’s lead….
1) Updates: I am amazed at finally seeing somewhere on yahoo providing updates on this messenger service, I now hope that you can keep it up.
2) Getting closer: How much closer? Havent we been suffering for 3 or 4 years now with bots, booters, lag, frozen room list, locked up rooms and more bots? Maybe now you have chosen to speak to use, you will actually start to listen too, and get all of these problems fixed.
3) Sure its a free service, but isnt it what we in the business world call a loss leader? You might not earning any revenue from this service, but this is how a large amount of your public experience you, and also how they judge you.
Lets talk about Net2Phone for a moment, a real bread and butter issue… Yahoo wants my money, it wants me to move away from Skype and use its service, as Yahoo knows very well, there is an extremely large revenue to be had from VoiP calls.
What chance do you think there is of that happening when my experience with yahoo is one of failure after failure? I use Skype as an alternative means for my clients to contact me, and for many of my outgoing calls. For the most part it works, and I would say I have had less than 1% failure rate with skype, which to me is acceptable.
Compare this with yahoo… servers down, server maintenance, yahoo booters, yahoo bots …. you knwo the picture by now. My experience with yahoo is one exceeding 30% failure, and that simply cannot be tolerated. Unless Yahoo! does something drastic to address this situation, they will never get any revenue from my direction.
As my final parting shot, I do not wish to do business with anyone I feel I cannot trust. Yahoo! have eroded any trust I had a long time ago. Bad technical support, lies and more lies when addressing complaints regarding other users, AND not even having the balls (until now) to speak to its public!
Still this is a start, I hope your journey to gain the respect and trust back from us all, is not too long.
Ian
Comment by Ian Grigg — August 13, 2007 #
I’m not waiting anymore. I’ve been trying out Paltalk last two days, based on comments in here, and it’s great. Free w/ small banner ad, $40 1st yr/ $12 renew w/no ads. Great text, voice, and video, lotsa rooms, lotsa people, and available help room. There are even some “Yahoo refugee” rooms corresponding to yahoo rooms. It’ll even talk to ur yahoo messenger buddies .. it says. I didn’t try that part. >> Paltalk.com
Come on over FROM the dark side!
Comment by fred — August 13, 2007 #
“These programmers are smart and they find ways around what yahoo does. I say you should all appreciate the fact ”
They’re not THAT smart, you’re giving them more credit than they deserve. Think about it, most of the people writing these booters and bot makers and 3rd party chat programs doing it in visual basic, or something akin to it. That should tell you something right there. And regardless of that fact, if they were that bright they woudln’t be wasting time writing yahoo “booterz” lol. The problem is, yahoo has a very bad and outdated protocol and infrastructure, and they continue to exploit it until yahoo decides to 1. turn off chat altogether, 2. rewrite the whole thing from the ground up.
It’s possible to prevent booting, because you are not communicating directly to the person being booted, yahoo is doing it for them. And there are other more professional (yes paid) services that don’t suffer these problems. It’s yahoo’’s protocols and architecture and lack of attention that make it possible, not that these “yahoo hackers” are super bright.
Comment by yeah_right_lol — August 13, 2007 #
LOL Die hard yahoo fanatic even if you change your settings to ignore everyone not on my list where do you think the packets go ???? to Alice in wonderland NO they still get sent and received if they did not you would not get disconnected simple as. As for your wacky idea of closing ports to prevent booting that is absolute madness it has NOTHING to do with a firewall in anyways shape or form its yahoo that ”boots you” no one else its yahoo who decides when you disconnect the booter sends mass packets yes then yahoo goes automatically o you got to much bye bye that is the simplest way to put it quit trying to convince these people to mess with there firewalls etc its complete garbage so if you connect to a server and change the port you connect with your unbootable even though its the same server LOL this is stupid and impossible if you think yahelete is unbootable my god are you mistaken you must have a hell of a connection not to be booted off it what speed is your cable/dsl lol a firewall has nothing to do with yahoo PERIOD that is laughable all a firewall will do is allow/deny Y! messenger/Yahelete internet access and if you set it to deny YES you would be unbootable because you would not get on yahoo lmao thats the only way it would EVER work once again
the data gets turned away bounced of the firewall instead of being processed.
Comment by Karl — August 13, 2007 #
LOL @ that
the data gets turned away bounced of the firewall instead of being processed.
i so want sygate pro rubber edition so i can bounce stuff back LOL
Comment by Karl — August 13, 2007 #
“These programmers are smart and they find ways around what yahoo does. I say you should all appreciate the fact ”
These are not programmers they make tripe in visual basic /vb.net a chimp could learn vb lmao seriously i reckon i could teach someone who has never opened visual basic a good grasp of it withing a few months i used to like vb but Y! related programs Hmm thats sad lol vb is soooooo 98…
Comment by Karl — August 13, 2007 #
Hi Sarah
I hope you’ll be able to post another update after you’re all done high fiving there at Yahoo for all the wonderful progress you made during your maintenance today.
Comment by Loretta — August 13, 2007 #
Vb is not complex at all unless you get advanced then it gets a little tricky but wouldn’t it depend on what you called basic right?.Basic to me is being able to master the windows registry through vb, using api and making your own active x controls …. So yes it would take a while to teach someone i don’t think id have the patience though i learned from example and trial and error when i got stuck i figured a way around it not asked for help this is by far the best way to learn i asked for help once! and i got such a stupid answer off like 3 people i knew that couldn’t possibly work i never asked anyone again and done it myself lol EVENTUALLY.
Comment by Karl — August 13, 2007 #
yeah yeah jack and karl .. let’s keep it on point shall we … I can’t see any difference after today’s maintenance … still bots .. still invisble … I’m hangin in there .. but c’mon .. patience is a virtue !
Comment by alexandra the fierce — August 13, 2007 #
Well, I’m still waitin for the uh…updating to be complete??
Or was that one posts a joke ???
Can we really expect them to get it right ???
Comment by Julianna — August 13, 2007 #
The problem isn’t so simple as to be able to just ignore the bots with filtering. They are still there regardless, cloggong the servers and making it difficult to enter a room and lately, see text without lag. There is nothing wrong with the chat client per se. These bots need eliminating, not filtering. Third party clients are also having problems with the servers. I’m trying to be patient with this, but it’s come to the point where it’s just about unusable right now and I’m seriously contemplating about looking elsewhere. My friends and I aren’t even adverse to paying a nominal fee for chat IF it was functional. Tick tock, Yahoo…
Comment by Wayne Harke — August 13, 2007 #
I bet we dont see a fix before Christmas..Just a guess =P.
Comment by John — August 13, 2007 #
Ok! I thought Yahoo said they were going to fix this thing today so chat would work more smoothly? Then how come I am not seeing any improvement in performance? It seems as bad as it was last week. Yahoo claimed servers might be down for 4-5 hours…you would expect in that amount of time they would have fixed it to where it ran smoothly again. I still have terrible lag in chat rooms, missing over 50% of posts, and still having a hard time getting into rooms. Same problems it had last week. Yahoo needs to get their act together!
Comment by John — August 13, 2007 #
All the “bots” seem to come from about 20 to 30 or so particular web sites - there might be more, though, I’m not sure. They usually have the links for their sights on their profiles. Can’t the administers for those particular web sights be confronted directly?
Comment by JC — August 13, 2007 #
ok….I have a few points…
One, I think it is rather funny that the “update” posted yesterday had the comments turned off from the start. To me that is funny.
Two, Sarah and the gang is laughing their asses off right now. They get paid if chat is up and running or not. To me this is obvious as chat has not ran smoothly in a long time. This is not even taking into acct. the bots and booters. Those can be dealt with, hell at this point I WANT to deal with them however that would require getting IN a chat room.
Three, and yes this is off subject slightly. Karl, if you are so damn good and figure everything out yourself, why have I not seen your name underneath the latest OS Karl Doorways? (Oh, and I have to agree with Jack, speaking of languages)
Kip
Comment by Kip — August 13, 2007 #
am sure there working on it. it takes time chating is free something i am realy greatful for. if it was not for yahoo chat i would not ever have meet my wife. thank you guys for a wonderful chat program
Comment by hector — August 13, 2007 #
hey everyone how have u girls nd guys been on bebo if u have one nd on yahoo luv u guys nd girls,as frends ok,well im havin fun,i am a very nice person 2 hang out wit….i live in da mish in norh dakota…..i live in a house is clean eveyday well not everyday but sometymes…..well pce peoples luv ya as frends
Comment by michaela — August 13, 2007 #
hey everyone how have u girls nd guys been on bebo if u have one nd on yahoo luv u guys nd girls,as frends ok,well im havin fun,i am a very nice person 2 hang out wit….i live in da mish in norh dakota…..i live in a house is clean eveyday well not everyday but sometymes…..
Comment by michaela — August 13, 2007 #
lol anyone noticed how no one can get in chat but the bots get in fine post text fine etc its the same when the logins used to become patched more often bots would still come in Yahoo MUST have something to do with this
Comment by Terry — August 13, 2007 #
Perhaps with chat, they need to remove all of the ‘adult’ and defacto sexual rooms. This attracts a lot of under-18’s, porn bots, and undesirables that clog up the whole chat system.
Comment by Leon — August 14, 2007 #
if you want no lag and no dropped text u have to use http login client.
Comment by yahoo is on its way out — August 14, 2007 #
Please, Yahoo!…no more maintenance or updating…it really wouldn’t cope with much more “improving”…its hanging by a thread as it is….how about you guys go do some filing or something.
Comment by Pj — August 14, 2007 #
I haven’t been able to get into chat at all in weeks. It doesn’t matter which computer or version of messenger I use. Is anyone else having this problem? Is this temporarily “normal” considering the maintenance that’s going on? If so, when will this be remedied?
Comment by Robyn — August 14, 2007 #
ahhh..still trying to log on to chat, I don’t think they have smart people working @ yahoo. The people who run bots will find a way to beat the system…they need to hire the programmers who make bots…or maybe the yahoo ppl have bots in their chatroom also..hehe.
Comment by notabotlol — August 14, 2007 #
awww…c’mon, credit where its due…that update/maintenance they did yesterday was seamless…so seamless I bet you didn’t even notice any difference….rolls eyes
Comment by Pj — August 14, 2007 #
Robyn:
I have been having the same problems and it doesn’t matter which chat client I am using…I have tried using Y!Mlite, Yahelite, Yazak, and Yahoo Messenger and it either takes a long long time to get into a room or when I get into the room the chatters list is full but either can’t see any posts or other chatters can’t see your posts. The only thing that seems to work is voice and I am not crazy about using voice to chat. It seems Yahoo has some major server problems and are not willing to fix it. I don’t think it is the chat programs that are causing the problems but Yahoo’s chat servers because I have encountered this problem no matter what chat client I use. Yahoo needs to get serious about fixing it or just do away with it. I don’t even like going into a room anymore because you can’t see any posts or people are not seeing your posts. Gets old when you get into a room and type “Can you see this?” instead of saying “Hello”.
Comment by John — August 14, 2007 #
a perfect chat would be like the old yahoo chat,no other chat clients but messenger,without the booters and bots,yahoo used to be a great place to spend time,but these days its like a big kindergarden full of grouchy people,bots and booters.only one id per person should be allowed,who needs multiple ids anyway unless they are being deceiving to someone else?they can always change to another id and delete the one they have.yahoo chat is a great chat when its working good.i understand the nessesity of having to do maintenence,considering the booting and bots,yahoo is overloaded with.but ike everthing else in life,with the good things…the bad follows.the scum of yahoo is the bots and booters,they should put their energy into making the world better,not worse!
Comment by bj — August 14, 2007 #
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the updates on what is going on. I just have one request for the Yahoo! Messenger team and that is when the move is finally made to the new authentication and chat servers, please do not leave out us Macintosh users. We currently have a 3rd party client that works as of now but when the change is made we will have to rely on Messenger as there are no current plans to upgrade the client. I can assure you to the best of my knowledge you will not find one Macintosh user abusing the current chat system.
Thank you , Sloar
Comment by Sloar — August 14, 2007 #
Thanks for the heads up!
Comment by The Dog Clothing Company — August 14, 2007 #
OK, so I downloaded Paltalk this weekend because im tired and frustrated with yahoo. I am amazed at how good the free version Paltalk was, so I bought a year subscription for the upgrade. All I can say is WOW. Great cam and voice quality, many rooms to choose from, user created rooms, and best of all absolutely NO BOTS.
I dont mind paying for a quality service…YAHOO take note. You are driving people away from your free service to service we would gladly pay for if it worked properly and you got rid of the BOTS.
Comment by dilbert36 — August 14, 2007 #
dilbert36…speak for yourself! Not all of us have a credit/debit card or checking account where we can automatically pay for something like Pal Talk. If Yahoo ever started charging for Chat I and thousands of others would be leaving quicker than a frog can jump a fence. And I am not all that impressed with Pal Talk with the room administrators who can kick anyone out for any reason, including personal reasons. I have used Pal Talk and room administrators are nothing more than censors who if they don’t like what you are posting or saying on voice can bounce you from the room.
Comment by John — August 14, 2007 #
well john if you dont like the rooms in paltalk you can make your own room and you can run it the way you want to, by the way PALTALK ROCKS
Comment by markj — August 14, 2007 #
PalTalk DOES have bots in their rooms, just not nearly to the extent of Yahoo.
Comment by Parry Hotter — August 14, 2007 #
Ok..joking aside, I’ve been pretty scathing about yahoo and its employees’ abilities with sorting out chat. On a more serious note…do you guys also know that not only are we losing lines of text in chat…yahoo is also dropping emails….fact yahoo..you can’t argue differently… losing a hi, huggs etc in chat is one thing..to drop emails..is something totally different….and I for one…have had enough of your cowboy outfit…you’re a mess…and to be honest…I deserve better…you can’t cut it…my emails will be moved to gmail…do what you wish…you’re a 2 bit company that’s lost the plot totally.
Comment by Pj — August 14, 2007 #
First off let me say that I am not a programmer or and IT person. I can only speak as a user of messenger and an ex user of the chat rooms. I say ex because I have not been able to get into the rooms for quite a while. When they posted that the servers where going down on Monday the question popped into my mind “Who is going to notice?”. As far as most users are concerned they where already down. Its just that no one had pulled the plug.
I have read several ideas about ways to fix the rooms that sound good to me and a few that even I know that are not.
A. Limit the number names from one IP address. YES .. Like i said before I am not an IT person but at my level of ignorance of the subject it sound like a good idea. Although i have no idea how it would effect the local internet cafe, hotels, motels and the like I do think it would be a good start at thinning out the bots.
B. Limiting the time on voice. YES … I have never timed my self saying hi or hello to someone but it should not take that long. I don’t understand where the number 18 came from but for round numbers 20 or 30 sounds like plenty and would keep someone from hogging the mic all day long.
C. Verification … YES .. Its badly needed in some form or fashion. I guess the real question is, with the way Yahoo has been running for quite a while now, Would you trust these people with your credit card numbers or ANY private information?
Thanks to the way Yhaoo has handled the chat rooms they have become an almost perfect example of negative advertising. I have had a lot of fun in yahoo chat over the years and truly hope they find a way to fix it. From my point of view it looks like yahoo has two choices concerning the chat rooms, either keep them running and chasing people away (while giving yahoo a bad name) or shut down the rooms all together. IF they want to have chat rooms they are going to have to start from scratch. You can only put so many patches and band aids on a dead horse.
Comment by OldMan — August 14, 2007 #
amen to that….. they need to start again…..or…..are they up to something really amazingly great and that its just about to happen and its gonna be so good and so great and..(:|.
Comment by Yahoon — August 14, 2007 #
I gotta say now is the time to really push authentication - it will fix a lot of Yahoo! problems with chat, and messenger, and possibly email also. I read the article about Yahoo having a higher customer satisfaction. What I am suggesting will increase that even more. Yahoo, don’t miss out on the chance to really make your property valuable beyond your dreams.
Sloar, I’ve got a couple of Macs too, I’m onboard with the OSX stuff.
Comment by Mike C. — August 14, 2007 #
This is crazy yahoo is gotta be runned by people that dont know what they are doin .
It looks to me that Sarah could post a update every day cause it shure seems that she isnt doin nothin else there.
Gettin updates from yahoo is like gettin info. from a doctor here at in our town.
Your dead before you receive it… geeesh!!
yahoo get it fixed
I would hate to give up chat after 7 yrs.
and meetin alot of good people but…
Just a little frustrated here tonite like many people I would guess
Comment by Julianna — August 14, 2007 #
Sarah I have two problems with messenger 8.0 version.
1. I no longer recieve off line messages and I have tried everything I can think ok, including (in vain) re-installing Messener several times. Instant messages work as long as the program is open.
2. Emotes will not work in a chat room. When selecting a name after selecting an emote, the name does not appear in the chat room although the emote does.
Beyond the difficulty accessing chat rooms, 8.0 seems to be a good product but if the product doesn’t operate at peak functionality, it gets frustrating. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. TY
Comment by JohnT — August 14, 2007 #
Greeting Sarah.
Can you stand up & face your direct customers, i.e. the users of the chat rooms?
This very embarrassing. Shame on Yahoo! to leave millions of people in such disarray.
Why don’t you try to be in their shoes just for one evening, and try to go to some chat rooms so you can begin to understand their frustration.
Please stop telling us about the maintenance and the performance enhancements. Every time we hear this BS, Yahoo! chat goes from bad to worse. Go check out chat on competitors web site & compare it with what is happening in Yahoo!’s chat room!
For example, why don’t I see a single bott being able to get in Mysapce chat rooms?
I guess I have said enough, the rest is up to Yahoo! to get off its loust butts & resolve the servers issues, which is not an excuse in anyway.
Comment by Cool Man — August 14, 2007 #
I read that article on Yahoo supposedly scoring higher in customer satisfaction than Google. Makes one wonder what questions were asked by the researchers and they asked. Whomever or whoever (never could figure out which to use) put that survey out, certainly didn’t ask anyone that uses chat.
Oh yeah, just to stay on topic. Has anyone noticed any improvements to chat from the maintenance Yahoo said they did yesterday?
Comment by Gary — August 14, 2007 #
Has anyone noticed and realized the servers are down (in some places) and the alpha chat servers are unresponsive right now? It’s quite interesting.
I believe it’s almost time for the new servers to replace the old bot filled ones.
Comment by Venom — August 14, 2007 #
ok yahoo you are pissing thousands of people off by not providing a stable chat service. every year we all here about the improvements your team are going to roll out but it never happens. the fact is your chat service is at it’s worse and I am surprised nobody has hacked and defaced you bye now out of sheer anger. presently I think it’s safe to say we have had it. the booting has damaged some chat users computers, the porn bots have delivered viruses, hijacking, and spyware for the uneducated new chat users who haven’t a clue who is real and who is a machine. yet throughout all of this boot programs thrive. what are you thinking yahoo?? one last thing. because of the room login lag and dropped chat text many of us resorted to using the http server login as a temporary fix. and what do you do yahoo…..?? you take down the http server so we are screwed again. how pathetic. it’s like you get off on making chatters lives hell. news flash yahoo ; booters have taken over and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see lawsuits on the way.
Comment by kinda pissed — August 14, 2007 #
still busted, ok im off to irc, good bye yahoo after 8 years, i had fun somtimes but mostly had a dispare for yahoo degrading to this point over too long a period, and the yahoo updates being for new features rather than fixing existing problems it had.
Good Bye Yahoo.
It’s been emotional.
regards: the die hard yahoo fan.
Comment by Die Hard Yahoo Fan — August 14, 2007 #
i love when people bitch and whine. in my opionion booters are a way of yahoo life. they’ve been in chat since i can remember yet thy’ve not been enough to actually keep people out of chatrooms. the wonderful booters. doesnt’ matter if there are booters, you can quickly sign back into chat again. let me ask you…..would you rather have the booters once in a while and the bots or no chat at all? i’d rather have the booters and bots. there is no perfect chatroom. in fact there are NO chatrooms like yahoo, with as many options of rooms and freedom, not to mention it is free. instead of complaining about it. appreciate things you do have a little more, because nothing lasts forever. including yahoo, or maybe you can just sign off yahoo and breath some fresh air outside. hopefully with all this down time people have managed to enjoy the little bit of summer that is left. have a great day.
Comment by cheers yahoo — August 14, 2007 #
You guys do not get it do you. Sarah and the other admins do not read this, they simply do not care. They will not even let you comment on the “updates” scheduled for Monday. Reading the comments takes them away from what ever it is they are doing. Dang sure is not updating anything.
When I first found these blogs I said FINALLY a way to talk directly to the real admins of Messenger. WOW, I am rarely this far off.
I will continue to log into chat, I have many friends I have made over the years. I just start up Yahelite and head directly to the news sites, normally when I am done with the news chat is ready to go. I mostly use voice so the dropped text doesn’t bother me personally.
Re read the first paragraph again…it is VERY important!!!
Comment by Kip — August 14, 2007 #
funny how booter’s are ammuned to all of yahoo server problems. we i mean they is in the booters can log in fine with boot progs and clients. kinda funny huh?
Comment by yea ok — August 14, 2007 #
yea when u join a room the banner should say”this is a free service you will be subject to booting, damage to your pc may occur, and you may be infected with spyware,viruses etc… but enjoy your chat” .
Comment by lol — August 14, 2007 #
Great……..now the alpha servers r down…chatted lag free for almost 2 days and now came back from work to find out alpha servers dont login, well if they do tomorrow and since theyre still in ” alpha mode” they might be back working. we had about 100 people on these new yahoo servers and they can be placed into messenger manually, not yahelite. Ymlite and YAZAK both have them - update your clients…and hopefully they will work again like 10 hours ago. the voice server is the same thats why we still meet up with chatters from old servers. If these were the new servers yahoo plans to install - as of my chat experience on them there is … 1. No porn bots. 2. no programs to load bots 3. no lag at all …It was nice …
Comment by nick — August 14, 2007 #
you can use yazak or yahilite to get rid of bots and arabs,yazak automatically gets rid of bots and the arabs that is what i like about yazak,i don,t have the yahoo yahilite yet.trillion chat is another one that is also compatible with yahoo chat.paltalk is now compatible with yahoo chat as well.yes i,ve had a terrible time getting into the genealogy chatrooms from yahoo messenger.i wish they would fix the problem.the porn bots are a problem and so are all the arabs.the arabs are very rude.that is what is overloading their system.
Comment by carla jean page — August 14, 2007 #
I just wish Yahoo would hurry and get it “stuff” togeather. I have no voice in Yahoo chat due to Vista and now they are cleaning the rooms up, so I cant even type in the room. Nor see anyone else. Its really a mess and I have started checking out Paltalk and Buzzen. Watch out Yahoo, these other 1 chats may take away your sponser/advertizers.
Comment by Linda — August 15, 2007 #
Please, just fix it. Never mind the yada yada, just fix it. And, tell us when it will be fixed. Even a rough estimate would be cool.
Comment by fedup — August 15, 2007 #
I tried Paltalk yesterday - works as smooth as silk - so you see operating chatrooms is not rocket science - wonder why Yahoo can’t “appear” to able to ………..
Comment by leigh — August 15, 2007 #
Couple of quick comments. Getting off of Java for the chat platform was the WORST thing yahoo ever did. I am assuming java cost yahoo .. . . for a free service is why yahoo dropped it.
All of the booting I see/experience is being done on the SERVER (yahoo) side and, again, being a free service, yahoo couldnt care less. Yahoo is not about to dedicate anymore bandwidth/speed to a free service.
The days of enjoyable yahoo chat are over.
Comment by Fred — August 15, 2007 #
Yahelite and Yazak are far better than Messenger. Messenger’s main drawback is no auto ignore. In Yahelite and Yazak whoever is auto ignored or manually placed on ignore stays there…they can’t get out but in Messenger whoever you ignore can get unignored the next time you log into chat unless you manually ignore them. Also these other chat clients have boot shields and that which messenger is lacking. Aren’t the idiots at Yahoo creative enough to try to add features like these so people won’t use them? Maybe they are using these same chat clients themselves.
Comment by John — August 15, 2007 #
wow yahoo..okk..back it up to about an hour ago..it worked for half hour .it was working perfect then..improvement on the 20 minutes on the 13th..soooooo……dare we hope????
Comment by Pj — August 15, 2007 #
I did notice when logging in that only one of yahoo’s servers was up and running…the other two are down…so that makes me believe they are hooking up the new servers today, since before the lag started again, that one server was running pretty fast. I could be wrong though, just an observation…
Comment by Jon — August 15, 2007 #
I have to say that the updates we got, are a surprise to me… but very much appreciated. However, whatever you’re doing to the chat room servers is causing more problems then you’re fixing.
Wondering why there seems to be a 2-3 minute lag in typing in a room?? Been going on for awhile. Whatever was implimented on the join roo