Chat rooms update
July 20, 2007 on 12:15 pm | In News |
Who was the weasel that coined the phrase “Patience is a virtue”? Because it seems like at the times when you most want something, someone says it to you.
Back in late May, I gave a “Chat Rooms: State of the Union” address here on the blog. Well, the 30 days I promised came and went…and then 20 more days and still no fix is in place for improved stability and reducing the annoying bots. The good news is that we have been working hard and we are close to releasing the fixes. The bad news is that we hit some bumps in the testing phase with our changes, and the bugs are taking longer than we expected to squash.
I don’t have a definitive date I can provide for when these chat room improvements will actually roll out (we know some of you have already snuck a peek). I apologize for the delay. Please try to be patient, we feel your pain. And please try to hold off on the flames toward us on the blog; we are as eager to get these fixes and improvements in to chat rooms as you are. We really do want to make them a more enjoyable place for you to hang out.
Thanks,
Jeff Bonforte
Vice President
Yahoo! Messenger
Chat is currently unusable though, with less than 50% of posts making it through to other users…
Comment by Tommy — July 20, 2007 #
I am not sure when go to my 360 address if should list it, or just Yahoo.com? I like to get to chat to people on Yahoo 360, I do ready on Yahoo.messager, did not know u could chat on 360?
Love, John Bradford
Comment by John Bradford — July 20, 2007 #
Only the losers who think that you clap your hands and the problems are gone come here and leave some stupid remarks.
The thing is that each problem has a solution. But with each solution comes a new problem. So the only thing that we have is to live with what we have, and always try to improve it. But the problems will never be over. So , thank Yahoo! for working to improve your services
Comment by Seinfeld — July 20, 2007 #
When solutions create problems you fire your designers and/or programmers, and hire ones that solve problems, and invent solutions.
If solving problems creates new problems, and you spend all your time in this cycle, you cannot get on and invent anything new, and then you have Yahoo! Chat.
Comment by Tommy — July 20, 2007 #
Thanks for the update. I can understand how a comprehensive overhaul can cause additional problems, and I personally appreciate, very much, your willingness to keep foks in the loop. Wishing you all the best for a speedy resolution, and improved chatting.
Comment by Ryan B — July 20, 2007 #
Thanks for the update Sarah. We’ve been waiting on a fix that works to solve the problems you addressed in your last blog entry. Thanks for the update. We all realize that you don’t have a huge staff and that it is being worked on. Giving us this bit of info shows that you really have been listening to our concerns and are implementing real solutions.
Comment by RegisteredTrademark — July 20, 2007 #
Opps, I see Jeff posted that! Thanks Jeff, and thanks to your entire, albeit small, staff.
Comment by RegisteredTrademark — July 20, 2007 #
Will you restore the yahoo chat on european versions of messenger??
Comment by Jiegen — July 20, 2007 #
Ok maybe if Sarah or someone would make a post each day and give us a update on how things are going,maybe that would help put out a few of the flames.I have read all the other post on every site I can find,and that is whay alot of them are asking for is just updates on how its going.I know because I have posted that and all my post have been deleted because I wasn’t staying on topic.Well the topic here is chat,so keep giving those updates and alot of people would cool it. Joy brings love,love those updates.
Comment by JOY — July 20, 2007 #
are you sure you are working on trying to get rid of the bots? the room where i am in now has 13! bots, all yahelite bots. GOOD LUCK!!!!
Comment by miranda — July 20, 2007 #
To The Vice President Of Yahoo ,
what is the point of doing upgrades , i and the rest of the chat community don’t see no improvement at all in getting into the chat rooms!!!???
again i must mentioned this , what is you definition of improvement??? the improvements i’ve been seeing the last 2 years gone worst!!!! we get booted even more than the usual and when we complaint about it we get automated answers and not actions/results!!!
is this improvement by taking away JAVA and CHAT2 protocols and not to forget USER ROOMS!!!??? not just getting into rooms harder but when we do get in , we can’t see text , we can’t change room right away as we get stuck!!!, screen don’t move basically the servers gone really slow!!!!
for a start this so called improvement/upgrade ain’t really eradicating bots/booters/hackers and so on!!! all this promises and talks don’t bring nothing but disappointment.
Vice President you might as well not give us dates when the services be back to normal. services can be kept as it is while doing the BETA testing!!!
also NOTE this : after so much tries getting into rooms we ended up temporarily BANNED from entering chat rooms!!
thanks a lot for the upgrades!
Yahoo Fanatic ,
Dave
Comment by Dave — July 20, 2007 #
Well, I hope that you do something about that horrible 18 second mic time limit.
Cutting the mic time was singularly the most horrible change in Yahoo since I arrived.
People get cut off all the time.
Are you going to restore unlimited mic time or what????
Comment by Kevin The Genius — July 20, 2007 #
Yeh whats up with the time limit. nobody efver explained that. yahoo cuts services and never improves anything. fix the time limit!
Comment by enterprise jurt — July 20, 2007 #
Kevin and Jurt -
Adjusting mic time limits is not part of the plans for these initial improvements. But we will take into consideration. Thanks,
Sarah Bacon
Comment by Administrator — July 20, 2007 #
Now, now people…you’re complaining about a service you don’t pay for. I can spend hours in chat rooms, and no one sends me an invoice. Yahoo is in business to make money like every other company, and they have bigger fish to fry than the chat rooms (like Google). Try to be understanding. I will get off my soapbox!
Comment by Rick — July 20, 2007 #
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Comment by pjaguar5254 — July 20, 2007 #
I am just glad to finally get a response to the questions. The “flames” mentioned in your message were not so much a result of the ever deteriorating chat engine as much as it was a response to a perceived lack of interest in letting us know what was happening. The perception has been that yahoo doesn’t care. That yahoo ignores its users. That yahoo makes promises and then offers not even an acknowledgement that the promiose wasn’t kept. So, well done this time. This is what we wanted. A simple admission of problems and some ongoing reassurance that our concerns are not being ignored when an announced “deadline” isn’t met. Please keep at it and don’t forget the users who are anxiously awaiting the end result of your efforts. You deserve credit for your hard work and we deserve the respect befititng thos of us interested enough to follow this blog.
Comment by Bill — July 20, 2007 #
Yahoo is in business to make money. In April of last year, the chat rooms were down for the better part of a day. Guess what? Yahoo fell from number one at alexa.com–to about 12,000. Go look. The chat rooms ARE the business of Yahoo.
It is good that Yahoo realizes this and wants to keep the chatrooms pleasant.
I’ve seen the mic time cut, the user rooms dropped, the java and 2.0 ended, the porn bots added, and I hhaven’t noticed anything fixed.
If yahoo could fix the mic time and the porn bots, it can be assured of staying number one.
Comment by bill the dealer — July 20, 2007 #
I’m glad to know that someone’s working on the issue - overhauling a system can be a slow process, but hopefully it’s being undertaken in the quickest way possible.
For months and months now the chat servers have been horribly unstable, sometimes taking hours to let a single user into a room - or not letting us in at all. Add to that the EXTREME problem with porn/SPAM bots and the removal of user-created rooms, and you have the mess that proponents of Yahoo Chat are so upset about!
I’ve never found an IM client that could compete with Yahoo as far as function - I love everything from the chat integration to the multiple profiles to the Archiving system. But it’s hard to love everything when it’s not performing. Try to remember that we’re only so upset because we love our Yahoo Chat/Messenger - and we want it back with full functionality!
Please keep us updated on the progress - what most of us want most is to know that our problems are being addressed (and in a timely fashion.)
Comment by Elle — July 20, 2007 #
Well Sarah… This one blog at the first would have been so much better for negative comments from alot of the people. All any of us with an exception to a few thick headed people wanted to hear was that you all know there is a problem, I don’t need a date when your stuff is fixed, I just wanted to know you all knew there was problems and you were addressing them. I haven’t logged into Yahoo! Messenger in months, but now I see that you people at Yahoo! are trying to fix things, I will login right now. I would like nothing more to join the rooms I used to hang around in and see all my old friends there chatting away like the “Good Ol’ Days!”. The one thing I get a kick out of though is these people that get hacked through Yahoo!, I highly doubt anyone has been hacked directly through Yahoo!. You people that got hacked were probably booted with a file request booter or if you did have a trojan etc, it was probably from the illegal music or movies from some of these sites on the web. If you accept files is the number 1 way to get hacked, get a brain- get an antivirus- get a router- get to know how your computer works and be smart about the things you do with it.
Thanks Yahoo! (Sarah) for finally writing a blog adressing the piss-offs instead of the add-ons. “CHOW!”
Comment by Polar — July 20, 2007 #
Thank you, thank you, thank you. All most of us users wanted was just an update on how things were going. Most of us know that updating messenger/chat would be difficult at best. Continual postings of updates will probably eliminate a good portion of the “flames” directed towards the Messenger team. The lack of any response to postings from users, especially after the 30 day goal was missed, was taken to be indifference of the Messenger team and Yahoo as a whole. Please keep us updated.
Comment by Gary — July 20, 2007 #
Let me get this straight…
You run into bumps on the alpha servers and the alpha servers effect the current 7 year old servers how?
If you’re working on the alpha servers and removing the older servers then they should be just working as they always should have thus not behaving like they have done in the last few days.
Does this mean you’re working on more than just the alpha servers and working on the YMSG protocol also?
Will Yahoo! be removing support for the older versions of YMSG that older non supported versions of yahoo! messenger currently use after this adjustment?
Yahoo! have a system message service on it’s servers and built into yahoo! messenger, Your engineers could easily notify users of related servers issues instead of having users “flaming” your blog for answers as to why they cannot access chat or losing text in chatrooms.
I suggest you use that system more for alerting users of “technical difficulties” you may have in future.
Makes sense!
Comment by Dermot — July 20, 2007 #
I didn’t even know yahoo had a Blog till tonight while trying to mess with chat and get into a room and finally when I did started a conversation about yahoo messenger and chat and someone gave me a link, WOW!! Word does get around and Personally I think the majority appriciate being clued in once in a while, Where does anyone get off being pissy about it? One I could see if like another user said ” we had to pay for it”
Two I seem to have read a recent article that yahoo was trying to make some long term adjustments not just updates and fixes. People do you notice shit or not around yahoo? Games was flooded with bots for some time and it was difficult getting into or playing cards for me, I got frusterated and just stopped playing eventually. Then heard news of some major changes and cards is now a nice place to play on the net again. IF yahoo is working on make solutions people then LET THEM !!!! Stop your flippin’ biatching I think its kewl they are communicating with a blog so people can read about what they are doing.
Look at the logicistics of it if we thank them and tell them there work is appriciated will that make them feel good and thus help them get the job done right and more quickly?
OR will bitchin at them and being whinny little kids because your free chat service isn’t working the way YOU want it tooooo make them just get it done all the more quickly?
How long does it take them to read all of these messages? I will admit I like the chat services as much as everyone else and I know its not yahoo that is killing our experience its the flooders the hackers and the kronny little script kiddies that is ruining the chat experience, Yahoo is trying to make their fun harder and ours better again. Where did this start people ??? Old chatters THINK ( do you remember the trolls and when they started?) People we chatters is what made there yahoo experience Fun for them and not for us!! Ever hear an old chatter say ” SToP feeding the trolls?” It meant ignore the nusence little shit and it will go away because being ignored by the majority of the room wouldn’t be fun for them. I don’t know how many times I would see people argue with a troll or FEED it in other words so that it just kept coming back again and again. Then ….. They told there hacker and script kiddie friends what fun it was to mess with chat rooms and hack user accounts, (remember folks?)
So in a Logical way of looking at all of this what gives any chat user or yahoo mail user the right to Bitch at Yahoo?
I appriciate you yahoo I know things are always changing . I know one bad apple spoils the whole bunch too.
Thanks for the blog it was nice.
Comment by yahoo user — July 20, 2007 #
Having a service is fine..but you lack the comprehension of the points stated..
does a airbag say “caution this may break your nose and ram your nose into your brain?”
“if your car breaks down in the highway will you get out of it and walk down the road thinking about a better model a few weeks down the road as you block traffic?”
would you play games if you took 5 moves and got points in each and only 2 gave you points that were recorded?
The fact is the service/system is unusable and free or not the communication between company and user should be a lot more clear than it is…chat users see advertisements, advertisements make yahoo revenue, if they cant chat…yahoo doesn’t make that revenue.
it is in yahoo’s best interest to make sure users see their advertisements to make a earning to supply chat for free in the first place.
lots of people can bake cakes, but people who bake good cakes get people buying their product while the rest go stale…its the name of the game and any corporation knows it.
even yahoo having a updated chat server status page using asp or other would be beneficial to users who have questions about service.
only reason this blog gets flamed is because its the closest thing they have to it..
Comment by Dermot — July 21, 2007 #
it was weird Yahoo asking for more programmers to join the Yahoo IM Team. Maybe they need more brainier programmers to get on the team.
Comment by vb_packets — July 21, 2007 #
lots of people left the busier chatrooms because the got tired of the chaos. we cnat get a sentenc eout without being stepped in. its all yelling and screaming now. 20 seconds on mike isnt good
Comment by John S — July 21, 2007 #
when are you going to fix the security for the screen names people are using crackers to crack names you cant make anymore and they are selling them thats why i like paltalk.
You can secure your Paltalk account by turning “Enhanced Nickname Security” ON. When this feature is on, if someone tries to login with your nickname on a computer different than the one you normally login with, they will be prompted to enter the answer to your secret question as well as your password
Comment by mike r — July 21, 2007 #
Yahoo! Chat shows adverts even when it doesn’t work, at the bottom, on the chat transition ad.
Advertisers are paying for those, but we’re not actually paying attention when trying to get into the room over and over - you have a negative thought because chat doesn’t work, and you will remember this thought as you see that product, and will not buy it.
Comment by Tommy — July 21, 2007 #
Those flames that you saw from me has been building up for over 2 years now. I am really not as evil as I made my comments sound. Its just that the comment “We hear you” was really annoying and I don’t think you did hear us before. But now I believe that you do.
I am glad you fixed your search engine at least you do fix services when they brake, but it sure does take awhile. Its funny google search seemed like it was broken to at the same time. lol
Comment by Chris — July 21, 2007 #
Well, you have to take into account that there are those people whom the chat rooms are part of their lives. Of course they’ll be mad if they don’t work.
Comment by Venom — July 21, 2007 #
Fellow Mac users can go to my website to download Charla 4 so you can access Yahoo chat on the Mac, or on my site you can click the link to go to the web page where Charla2 is listed with source code and still works with chat.
http://www.geocities.com/bad_bad_sloar/
Comment by Sloar — July 21, 2007 #
Yahoo use to be a good place to come and chat and have a nice time with your friends.. with all the changes going on and with yahoo not working half the time, People are finding other places to go and chat. way to go yahoo for taking something good and making it worse…
Comment by Crazzy — July 21, 2007 #
”Adjusting mic time limits is not part of the plans for these initial improvements. But we will take into consideration. ”
ARE YOU NUTS? that is the best thing yahoo has done in recent years the mic time stamp limit to 25 seconds it stops people locking the mic shure there is voice domination now that simply resets the time stamp and allows the user to lock the mic for x ammount of time it would not surprise me if you removed this then tards can run riot and play music ALLLLL day yes great idead :l all the good features seem to be disapearing how about bringing back the /goto command
that was a neat feature but nope its gone what else is going to go…….
Comment by AreYou4Real — July 21, 2007 #
To Yahoo Vice President ,
Your techs shouldnt have any problems if you guys will drop Authentication lower than YMSG15Auth.
This should kill most of the bots in the room not to mention such Chat Client as YahElite which is heavily used by pornbots in the room!
Also it will get rid most of them booters and so on , as they still use the old YMSG12Auth for the programs to work.
Comment by Dave — July 21, 2007 #
AreYou4Real ,
I doubt that the /goto user will be revibe due to too many stalkers in the chat rooms.
As for the many good features being stripped away from the Yahoo Messenger that’s really sad. I too was upset when they removed the best features!
Comment by Dave — July 21, 2007 #
It seems yahoo messenger is getting slower and slower each day. Today, so far , I have tried for 45 minutes to get in a chat room. I have hi-speed cable ,and I checked with my provider. The problem is with YAHOO. If I can find another chat site, I am going there as fast as i can and tell others there is someplace other than YAHOO.It seems like YAHOO doesn’t care abotu the messenger service it provides. They took away the user rooms, and the option to create a room. Why should anyone even think of using YAHOO or its services?
Comment by Dick — July 21, 2007 #
im sick to death of this. all I do is try and try and try and restart and try and restart and try and what do I come up with? A big fat nothing, I cannot talk to any of my friends cause I spend all my time getting into the rooms. This is maddening and also ridiculous. If u cant take care of your problems, means you are going to lose most your customers. Come on guys lets get in gear and get this job done that had been plaguing yahoo customers for a long time, Id like to be able to talk to my friends. Please help. I cant get in any rooms now.
Comment by Lisa — July 21, 2007 #
what do u mean it looks like I already said that? You mean I cannot express an opinion about the way Yahoo Messenger Chats is run? I dont think so!! U keep all that up, ur going to lose another Yahoo Messenger cause i will change to AOL or something. Ur comments are completely uncalled for there, Mister.
Comment by Lisa — July 21, 2007 #
I just want things to work. It is fustrating that after years of good work and service that things have deterriorated so much that one can’t get into a chat room. Please get things fixed so at least they are functional.
Comment by pierfisher01 — July 21, 2007 #
Yahoo has been getting worse for the day user rooms were banned. The reason of banning them was obvious but from that period on yahoo has been getting worser every time.
I hope you’ll eventually do take care of the problems as the number of users using yahoo messengers is dramatically decreasing.
Comment by Jama Farrah — July 21, 2007 #
Am sick of those annoying bots, it seems that there are more bots that humans. Limiting the number of bots in the chat rooms should be your top priority.
I wish you’ll could allow user created rooms again.
Comment by Daniel Lingens — July 21, 2007 #
Am finally got into yahoo chat rooms and guess what am the only human in there, lol. What a waste of time, everyone else must have got too sick of waiting.
Better get it fixed soon and do try to advertise the changes you are making to messenger to attract more users as after the updates and all, it is true that users have decreased.
Comment by Sam Craib — July 21, 2007 #
Yahoo’s talk is a bunch of crap!!!! They are so big, but can’t fix the chat servers? Give me a friggin break!!! I think I’ve tried to get into a chatromm about 50 times the past month, and got into one maybe 3-4 times. Terrible odds and a waste of time. As technology evolves, so does the run around!!!! Thanks yahoo for wasting my time. Pass it on people.
Comment by Rob — July 21, 2007 #
who ever said patience is virtue was so wrong it isn’t a virtue i think is just a saying someone said a then it just started being said!!!
Comment by Taylor — July 21, 2007 #
in my school the saying ur mom is so old it isn’t funny i think that it is wrong!!!
Comment by Taylor — July 21, 2007 #
People should stop complaining. Everyone begged for an update (including myself), and now that you got one - you do nothing but complain MORE.
Thanks Jeff for the update here as it is greatly appreciated. I also think it was a very wise move to not give any specific date or time period, as it would only lead to more flaming and bitterness if the deadline isn’t met again.
The only thing most of us want, is simply an update once in a while. Once a week, or at least once every two weeks would be sufficient for the majority of people. Please, just keep us informed and people will feel a lot better!
Comment by Parry Hotter — July 21, 2007 #
I don’t know, most of these people thanking Jeff for the update seem to be bashing the so-called “complainers” but as I see it did Jeff really tell us anything we didn’t already know or couldn’t figure out on our own?
While I agree that expecting a “definite date” for software development is unreasonable, I also cringe at the word “soon.” I would expect at least a time frame for which we can expect this update. Wasn’t the word “soon” used in the previous information update as well?
Comment by Ron — July 21, 2007 #
OK Yahoo!.
As you already know, bots are not that big of an issue for people like me.
What needs to be sorted out, and forget the Captcha method and Anti spam, you need to get your programmers to sort out the Servers that are dropping the packets regarding chat.
Messenger Services seem to be perfectly fine, so stop concentrating on them.
The room ACK Packet to initiate Chat Enter, this is the point where Invite packets get turned on so people from chat rooms can invite you.
It also contains the version of Messenger you’re using, this packet also instructs the server to get your ID out of the room.
This packet is being dropped a lot.
the Join Packet, it too is being dropped, if you send it 10 times, if you’re lucky you might get the packet processed on the 3rd attempt.
Chat room packets are also being dropped around 40% packet loss if you type quickly, if you type slowly, something like 5% loss.
Invite Packets are also being lost, yet Messenger packets, IM’s Conf Invites, Audibles etc etc are all untouched, they’re fine..
So at what point does the Dodgy Server you have going fail, obviously the network structure of your servers is fine just 1 weak point concerning chat.
Could your Engineers please locate this and fix it, if you don’t all that’s going to happen is people will start taking 2 id’s in the chat room to see what posts are being dropped, the end result is simple, more pressure being put in the server because this one problem has being going on far too long now.
IT should not be all that difficult to locate this problem, and the server once upon a time worked fine.
Comment by cjdelphi — July 21, 2007 #
I sincerely hope you install the ability to ignore everyone not on your friends list with out affecting the ability to see and hear them in your newer version.. you took it away after 7.04 and thats why I don’t update… I agree you have taken away things that were working well only to add things that aren’t really needed nor benificial…
Comment by Charged — July 22, 2007 #
To my mind right now the best answer is to close the chatrooms altogether untill all the problems are fixed.
Then no one would lose their rag in trying to connect, with the bots (that are a particular pain as far as I’m concerned) or anything else you can think of that tries your patience whilst the system just isn’t up for it. And Yahoo wouldn’t get flamed so much as it has been.
When everything’s ready to go open up the rooms again and (hopefully) no bots and an enjoyable expereince once again (which it sure hasn’t been for ages.)
For me I wouldn’t miss the rooms in the sorry state that they are as of now…in closing them for the fix I would still have my buddies to chat to so it’s not as though the world’s going to end for other Yahoo users is it?
So I say close em and fix em…maybe then we’ll all be happy when we have a clean useable system rather than the trashy can I get in and when I do I get the botted and booted to death type of arrangement that we all put up with now.
Just three pence worth from a weary English user.
Colin
Comment by Colin — July 22, 2007 #
Jeff,
****IMPORTANT****
Yes please comeout with a new messenger build ASAP with the ability to ignore everyone not on your friends list without affecting the ability to see and hear them in chat rooms.
It will stop alot of spim complaints. Please don’t wait untill new chat rooms are out for this!!!!!!
Comment by Chris — July 22, 2007 #
Cant remember the last time I could enter a chat room - don’t know if the new upgrades mentioned in the blog are causing the problems (there is no delay as I have been unable to enter for at least two weeks - trying many , many times each time)
Comment by ml — July 22, 2007 #
to stop getting disconnected wen someone pms you i find going invisable stops it. bots go straight into my ytunnel super iggy bin i don’t get booted from rooms anymore since i switched my pm status to friends list only never click a link or except any file transfers never been hacked if i have trouble with mic i use yazak for voice. only problem i have is getting into rooms and messages going into rooms no one can see them i still use the messenger 7.0 i do put 2 ids in the room one on yahoo and one on yazak to see which messages are not getting through and if the servers go down and im not able to get in to a room i start a conference and invite everyone from my regular room into it and you don’t get any booters in it or bots and can chat and have a laugh without any hassles in an ideal world we would love yahoo chat to be free from faults but im ok waiting just like to be kept upto date on whats happening and instead of moaning and getting stressed just find a way around it like i have till its sorted .!
Comment by tina — July 22, 2007 #
Tina, YTunnel is garbage! YTKPro is what you need.
Comment by Parry Hotter — July 22, 2007 #
Jeff,
thank you very much for your continued effort it getting it all fixed. Having frequented Yahoo chat rooms for 8 years, and even picking up a great husband in one of them, I have seen chat have it’s good, it’s great, it’s bad and it’s downright lousy times.
As this is a free service, I have never felt much use for complaining, and I am very gratefull for the fact that the service still exists. I for one, am also very happy with the mic time limit. It means idiots can not play music for hours on it anymore, totally rendering the mic function unusable for all other chatters.
Keep up the amazing work, and thanks so much for the regular updates. It must be one heck of a job trying to overhaul it all.
Comment by Ineke — July 22, 2007 #
I think its very funny that me and my friends write our own chat clients and there more stable and far less bootable than “Yahoo Messenger”. how about having a contest to find a new programmer for your yahoo messenger. or making it open source to developers.
Comment by John — July 22, 2007 #
I agree that the limit to the mic time is a good thing, and a necessary thing. I don’t even know why yahoo did not do it earlier.
BUT, why no one answers to this thing:
WILL YAHOO RESTORE THE CHAT OPTION ON EUROPEAN (I.E. ITALIAN) VERSIONS OF YAHOO MESSENGER? IT DISAPPEARED SINCE 2004…
PLEASE REPLY
thanks.
Comment by winstar — July 22, 2007 #
okay its like this think of how many Millon’s of people use yahoo everyday. think of a year and half to 2 years ago when mass ignore bots flooded everyone room thats why the time limit was introduced. and it makes sense i d rather have a time limit than have 700 bots flood a room. when you have people like markus, and the Millions of pathetic script kiddies that flood that yaho rooms… the very fact that yahoo is at least addressing these issues now instead of leaving people high and dry is saying something so everyone should be patient at least yahoo is doing something now
Comment by doug — July 22, 2007 #
I have Windows Vista Ultimate and after installing dsp truespeech codec and using raw voice login rather than yascom i have a great client thats unbootable and has voice in vista.
Comment by John — July 22, 2007 #
To all my people who want an alternative to yahoo chat.
I present you
STICKAM.
just do a yahoo search, email the link to all ur friends and join.
Join Now!!!!!
Voice chat multi cam, text. you name it they got it.
Comment by cc — July 22, 2007 #
as i have previously stated You try running a chat server of your own let alone the 57 chat servers that yahoo runs not counting the alpha and beta servers i highly doubt you d run something as good.
Comment by Doug — July 22, 2007 #
lolz don’t take the mic limit coz if u do others who got the mic first wont share it !!!!! maybe u can extened the time coz right now too short….nyways i will wait tell yahoo get fixed…thanks for the info at least we are talking important things right now…
Comment by ADAM — July 22, 2007 #
I find it’s quite nice to read everyone’s opinions on things like this. Isn’t this what a true community does? Everyone is having problems, so they voice their opinions.
Ok, I admit, most sound really demanding, but they should know that changes are coming, and they should take assurance on such things.
Jeff/Sarah, you guys are going to keep us posted on the problems, right? If you guys need help, there’s some individuals in the community who would be glad to help like Craig, Adam, and Chet.
I think in the end, everything will work out for the best.
Comment by Venom — July 22, 2007 #
In terms of updates for better , Yahoo’s just getting worst!
Their best features all been taken away , prolly next in line will be chatrooms too so nomore booting , hacking , spamming and so on , just pure PMs
:))
When it come to spamming YahElite is really number 1 , though it only uses YMSG12Auth which Yahoo Inc wont drop as of yet!
Come on Yahoo Vice President bring on the YMSG16 Authentication out and drop the rest that is lower than that! Yahoo Inc will not lose much if you drop YMSG12Auth infact this will get rid of the Spams , Booters and so on for a while. As for YMSG15Authentication they’re still having fully functional .DLLs
Bring the USER ROOMS back , and also give us the authority to kick people out of the room when someone step out of line !! This idea is also good for kicking pornbots and them booters!!
Comment by Dave — July 22, 2007 #
I’m user of yahoo messenger from last 3 or 4 years, but still i see those bugs / problem which we face at that time when we had join yahoo.
comparing with other chat Messengers, yahoo is really far behind from “PAL TALK, MSN and AOL”
the biggest problem which i face on yahoo is , no real time room list update. when you click on a room for joining (i.e it has 30 users in that room) most of the time you got a F****** error of “This room is full please try another room” WTF ????
I’m ending my comments with quote of Tommy as he wrote
“When solutions create problems you fire your designers and/or programmers, and hire ones that solve problems, and invent solutions.
If solving problems creates new problems, and you spend all your time in this cycle, you cannot get on and invent anything new, and then you have Yahoo! Chat.”
Comment by Devil Eyes — July 23, 2007 #
[…] As reported on the official Yahoo! Messenger blog, there is still some time before the update to the Chat rooms on Yahoo! will be made available to everybody. This update is in response to the large number of animated bots roaming the chat rooms and sending spam to everybody. […]
Pingback by All Pumped Up! » Blog Archive » Chat room update for Yahoo! still coming... — July 23, 2007 #
Dear Yahoo Vice President ,
A day passed by and still getting into chatrooms is harder than normal.
I understand preassure is the last thing you need right now , I am not just an individual having problems with this but a lot of us are having this ISSUES that need resolving , firing or hiring new programmers aint really going to make any difference. Its best to stick to the same engineers so they’ll know how to reproduce problems that need resolving.
Mr Yahoo Vice President , sort this matters out ASAP !!
Comment by Dave — July 23, 2007 #
I’m glad to see things getting fixed up, and that progress is slowly being made. Being short staffed is never fun for any job. Regardless, I hope the new build will be satisfying. My main question, as have been many is, “Are you bringing back user rooms?” I understand there’s a lot on your plate right now. I’d just like to know with the ability to make quicker updates, if we can look forward to user rooms in the near future.
Comment by Dan — July 23, 2007 #
Why did I have to learn about this blog by googling “Yahoo Messenger Problems”? I recommend emailing every user the site for the blog. And yahoo.com should also mention the blog. After reading the blog about messenger problems, I feel somewhat better (but still frustrated) that the problems are being addressed and that Yahoo does care!!!!
Comment by Tom Martin — July 23, 2007 #
Hi Dan,
As we mentioned in a post in January (http://blog.messenger.yahoo.com/blog/2007/01/22/lets-chat/), we will not be bringing back user-created chat rooms. Thanks,
Sarah Bacon
Comment by Administrator — July 23, 2007 #
Thanks, Tom and welcome to the blog! We’re trying to get the word out about the blog (it’s linked from the messenger.yahoo.com site and on Yahoo! Insider when you log in) as much as we can.
Sarah Bacon
Comment by Administrator — July 23, 2007 #
Dan, adding the ability to kick people out of rooms is the worst thing I have ever heard of. Just what we need, the “regs” and their elitist groups of “friends” kicking out newcomers and people they feel are unworthy of “THEIR” room.
Comment by Parry Hotter — July 23, 2007 #
Parry, that’s why Yahoo created the “Ignore” button. There would be a lot less problems in the chatrooms if people ignored people who irked them. However, some people are incapable of ignoring “offenders” because they can’t stand NOT knowing what is being said. Granted, there are regulars in the chatrooms, but so what? Newcomers are always welcomed if they are not abusive toward others and don’t spew hateful diatribes. Anyway, its all moot. We can’t get into the chatrooms anyway. lol.
Comment by Robin — July 23, 2007 #
I was wondering, after everything is finished and running smoothly again. Will the chatrooms actually appear in numerical order on the room lists?
Comment by Gary — July 23, 2007 #
Sarah/Jeff, I was wondering, how much of the new chat servers are complete percentage wise? 80%? 90%?
And yes, like Tom above, I’m grateful that you guys even have a way to be in touch with the users.
Comment by Venom — July 23, 2007 #
Vaporware, “un”connectability, and bots bots bots
This has gone beyond maddening. No messenger for VISTA, Total inability to log into chat for hours at a time. And more than half the lines typed into chatrooms disappearing into nul. It’s intolerable. Three-quarters of the people I used to regularly see in the chatroom I frequent find it all too frustrating to tolerate and don’t bother any more. The rest of us are trying to get by on voice when somebody isn’t playing a song (which by the way we like to do in our room).
I can’t imagine that Yahoo is making more money by driving away three-quarters of it’s users. I can’t imagine that Yahoo is making money by shooing away Vista users. And I can’t imagine that Yahoo is making enough money from sex bots that it can afford to have 35 sex bots and 7 chatters in a room. Let’s get REAL!!!!
Comment by Steve — July 23, 2007 #
Having developed large-scale distributed chat systems, I like to think I understand some of the massive technical hurdles involved in live-updating such a behmoth. Your team is doing a fine job, Jeff, and I for one am eager to see the improvements which will be eventually rolled out.
Keep up the good work, and please keep us updated!
Comment by John Morden — July 23, 2007 #
I just can not believe a word you asy anymore, chat has got worse and worse, i will judge you on your results not your promises
Comment by burt — July 23, 2007 #
Jeff,
When you have gotten rid of the botting, room locking, mic hogging, voice chat lagging, pm bombing and especially the booting problems (both in chat rooms and on y! msgr) once and for all, then
let us all know.
Thanks.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — July 23, 2007 #
Jeff,
When you have gotten rid of the botting, room locking, mic hogging, voice chat lagging, pm bombing and especially the booting problems (both in chat rooms and on y! msgr) once and for all, then
let us all know.
Impossible there will always be booting even if the patch the older ymsgr authencations there is http and wap booting/flooding there is booters already that use this do you lot really belive yahoo are going to fix chat are you that gullible its HAD SPAM SINCE DAY ONE and will never not have spam i do not care about booting since i dont go into chat rooms they are simply a meca for spam and exploits but hell its that bad you do not even have to join a room to get pms from bots when i first joined yahoo there was like 4 of every room and when one fills up another opens obviusly now there is like 1000 rooms FULL of bots lol the server load off these must be imense and waste so much resources Yahoo simply do not care its not as profitable as there other business ventures such as geoshities and who can blaim them this is FREEWARE you pay for what you get it is obvius how much of a priority yahoo chat is for them since messenger 8.0+ the chat room (join room) option is not even on your friends list that shows how much of a priority they think it is LOL its in some stupid drop down menu i find this HIGHLY anoying and do not know why on earth it is there also the /goto command is gone another kool feature GONE viewing your own webcam verry handy to see if its froze etc GONE voice in pms without voip GONE yahoo is getting worse im using 6.0 by far the best version stuff 8.0+ i want to chat not play with 50,000 plugins etc lol also amusing how yahoo 8.0 install auto installs Yahoos crappy toolbar and hijacks your home page! and a lot more stuff talk about bloatware lol.
Comment by Karl — July 24, 2007 #
I LOVE YAHOO CHAT,,, THERE ARE PROUBLEMS BUT ITS A FREE SERVICE AND IT HELPS PPL REACH PPL.. I FREQUENT THE DISABLED ROOMS.
MIC LIMITS,,THATS SILLY,,WE ARENT SELLING A PRODUCT,,WE ARE CHATTING!!,,LOL
THE ONLY PROUBLEM I SEE .OTHER THEN WHEN YOU DO UPDATES(OF WHICH IS PART OF THE SYSTEM)… IS PPL THAT CLONE OR BOOT… NOT EVEN THE IDIOTS THAT ARENT PART OF THE COMMUNITY,,BUT THE REGULARS ,, WHY?.. BESIDES THE OVIOUSE
BUT BECAUSE,, THE WHOLE CHATROOM ,FRIENDSHIP THING GETS JEAPORDISED… PPL STOP TRUSTING OTHERS,, GOSSIP SWARMS ECT…IF ONCE I A WHILE A FEW PPL CRUISE THE CHATROOMS SENDING IN COMPLAINTS,, WATCH THE SCREEN,, SEE THE BOOTERS.. AND POST IN PUBLIC CHAT A WARNING… I THINK,, WE WOULD SEE A STOP TO THE TROUBLEMAKERS.. BUT ALL IN ALL I LOVE THE CHATROOMS,, THEY HELPED ME LEARN MORE ABOUT CERTAIN DISABILITIES,, PLEASE DONT TAKE THEN AWAY!!
IM ONLINE(YAHOO) 9 YEARS… HUUGS AND CYBER HUUGS ~PREE
Comment by KERRI MATUSZAK — July 24, 2007 #
With the on-going problem with bots in the chat rooms, I wondered if Yahoo could somehow implement the same or similar system that has been intro’d in the games rooms. If a chatter had to manually type in a code every half hour or so, with only a limited time to respond to the prompt, then the non-responding ID’s (bots and room sitters) could be auto-booted. At the very least the bot makers (I refuse to call them masters) would be kept busy keeping the bots active.
Peas, peas, peas…don’t let them win. Yahoo chat is still the best on the net.
Thanks, Cheeky
Comment by cheek_peas — July 24, 2007 #
“also amusing how yahoo 8.0 install auto installs Yahoos crappy toolbar and hijacks your home page!”
Karl, not if you learn to read before just clicking every button that comes up during an install. You in fact DO have the option to NOT install the toolbar, and also to NOT have your homepage changed.
Comment by Parry Hotter — July 24, 2007 #
Parry Hotter IT AUTO INSTALLS i installed it 2 days ago lol.. if you click do not install it STILL DOES (did for me) and hijacks your homepage shure it takes seconds to uninstall but it shouldnt period
Comment by Karl — July 24, 2007 #
Karl, during the install - you need to click on “Custom Install” at the top and uncheck all of the options. It has never once bypassed my custom install options.
Comment by Parry Hotter — July 24, 2007 #
“Impossible there will always be booting even if the patch the older ymsgr authencations there is http and wap booting/flooding there is booters already that use this do you lot really belive yahoo are going to fix chat are you that gullible its HAD SPAM SINCE DAY”
Jeff,
Is this true? You are not going/willing or able to fix the booting problems? If not, can you at least say so so we know what to do? I don’t believe this is true at least from a technical standpoint–these problems are 100% fixable.
I mean, if this is true it seems the same can probably be said of the botting, room locking and all the other problems. This continues to be a problem in a # of rooms–especially the politics rooms.
Also there are a number of people replying with comments of a technical nature.
I believe in a # of cases these are these third party chat programmers who make “yahelite”, “ymlite”, “yazak”, etc..etc..
In other words, yahoo messengers competition! If you are changing protocols and the infrastructure to work better and it will be for the better of y! messenger to cure the booting and botting, then please don’t listen to these requests. Most people will still want to use y! msgr–but only if you make it and your servers/protocols work correctly and outshine yahelite, and the other programs out there.
Why anyone would complain if yahoo is changing their protocols for the greater good in the long run is beyond me..unless they are the botters and booter programmers themselves? hmmmm.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — July 24, 2007 #
Have you ever considered using a security pass for getting into chat, liek the one you use when you sign up for a yahoo screen name. Maybe make it a lil easier to read though sometimes those security words are really hard to see. You also have common names for many bots you could filter and deativate those. Not only are the names alike for porn bots but many booters and yahoo mass iggies use common names to run in them.
Comment by Ron — July 24, 2007 #
Oh another consideration is to have room admins and give them the power to ban names from coming in to the rooms but you would have to track that to prevent abuse of power. they could deactivate bots and this would help alot. I am sure you could get many volunteers to do that or give them a few extra yahoo perks.
Comment by Ron — July 24, 2007 #
Thanks yahoo, you fixed the room post dropping problem, still a few issues regarding the logout and sign in, but that’s not a problem
Thanks…
Craig C.
Comment by cjdelphi — July 24, 2007 #
chatter_chatter_chatter is is true there will always be booting when yahoo make a new ymsgr authencation it will be cracked within 24 hours and be public im amazed the ymsgr 12 login still is in use yahoo used to patch them regularly since the user rooms have gone yahoo has gone downhill big time
Comment by Karl — July 25, 2007 #
Jeff,
All I can say is “COMMUNICATION”.
This is one of the absolute surprises when I came to view this blog.
Most of the time Yahoo Makes announcements about something coming soon, but then the day comes and goes, without a word of what’s happening.
What you’ve done here by communicating to other yahoo users what’s going on is to at least tell people you haven’t forgotten about them.
So, good for you!!! Keep up the progress reports, and I can almost guarantee the flaming will slow way down.
Thanks again
Comment by Netti — July 25, 2007 #
Chat worked just great yesterday, July 24th. However, today it’s the same old story. Can’t connect to chat, in anything! Messenger, which never works for me so had to go to a 3rd party chat client and now that won’t connect.
Do we all have to go find a new chat?? No one wants to, but this is ridiculous.
Comment by JJ — July 25, 2007 #
“chatter_chatter_chatter is is true there will always be booting when yahoo make a new ymsgr authencation it will be cracked within 24 hours and be public im amazed the ymsgr 12 login still is in use yahoo used to patch them regularly since the user rooms have gone yahoo has gone downhill big time”
Well then it sounds then it’s time for a new scheme or protocols. And if that means changing things so these other programs like yahelite or whatever don’t work anymore, then so what? As long as it works correctlya nd with yahoos own msgr, that’s all they should care about and that’s all joe user will care about since new people to yahoo are going to download the official yahoo msgr over these others. Those were only made because yahoo DIDN’T work correctly or allowed people to be booted or etc.
Also to the poster that said they changed their preference to friends list and aren’t getting booted anymore..that’s not technically correct. You may not get IM bombed, but you can still be booted apparently (?) ugh. The more I find out about this the more I want to just give up and leave it. It’s not worth the hassle.
And the botting still continues (various politics chat rooms botted up at least)
Jeff????
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — July 25, 2007 #
The Bot problem really needs to be taken care of.
Comment by Christine — July 25, 2007 #
Also to the poster that said they changed their preference to friends list and aren’t getting booted anymore..that’s not technically correct. You may not get IM bombed,
LOL i have to laugh sorry m8 but yes you can still be booted you do not stop getting packets if you ignore people not on your list you can get hit by anything aslong as it overflows yahoos buffer then yahoo will disconect you why yahoo do not disconect the ids the vast ammount of packets come from i will NEVER know this would STOP booting period unless somone found something similar to the http room booter again but then again it was patched. you still get im bombed just because you can not see it … does not mean to say you are not you are not if the sender (booter) sends more data than you can download then you get diconected simple as no matter what you are on.
Comment by Karl — July 25, 2007 #
O one way you can stop being flooded/booted if you do not use chat is to use the option connect in connection prefrences (on messenger) to connect with firewall with no proxies this inturn will use the http proticol instead of the default one it is HARD to be booted off unbootable almost. but it is hmm lets say unstable as hell random dcs etc :l
Comment by Karl — July 26, 2007 #
I didn’t read any of the comments……but thanks for the update……maybe once yahoo gets chat up in running again you might consider a yahoo messenger/chat/e-mail status page……this way users will know whats working and what’s down…..and not rely on the usual gossip that makes the rounds in chat.
thanks for reading…appreciate the effort
Comment by Joe — July 26, 2007 #
OK then….
You fixed the dropped packet issues regarding login, and logout and all is good…
however, there’s only 1 more problem that needs to be sorted out, here it is.
Sign into messenger, connect to chat, you enter the room, if you disconnect the socket client side, winsock acknowledges this drop server side and sends the buddy offline notification etc etc, but what fails to happen is this, the ID Sticks in the chat room because the packet to indicate you want to leave never gets sent.
So we end up with a situation where there’s 30 ids in the chat room that they’re no longer even connected, is there no way to add some code to messenger’s server to instruct the chat server to also leave the chat room when the socket is killed or times out?
Then the chat server would be perfect. and everyone would see a max of 50 id’s not 200 ids over a period of 2 hours?
Well anyway thanks for what you have done, Adding this would make it complete
Comment by cjdelphi — July 26, 2007 #
SO!! the servers are up and running again. it really is a great improvement now WOW! i still count 4 pornbots in the room where i am in and 8 bots so real people can’t get in.YAHOO!
Comment by miranda — July 26, 2007 #
At the moment it does appear the dropped chat login and logout problem has been fixed. Chat login & logout has worked flawlessly for me since about 4:30pm GMT - 5 yesterday. If it stays this way the next few days, I think it’ll be safe to say it’s fixed for good.
I agree with cjdelphi. If you’re in a chat room and the TCP connection to the server is terminated, your name is never logged out of chat. However all normal YMSG services are signed out in this same case. This should apply to chat in addition to normal messenger services in the case of a disconnect. I think it’s a good idea and it would fix a long outstanding problem.
You could also argue that bots and spam are still a problem, but it’s best to tackle that one step at a time. Being able to enter chat has a higher priority than eliminating spam in my opinion. Though spam bots are annoying, they can always be ignored. However after all kinks involving chat stability are worked out, spam should be the next priority.
Comment by Infinite Luta — July 26, 2007 #
To be honest I have noticed an improvement in the chat-rooms the past couple of days. Granted the system still needs lots of work, but I am seeing some improvements nonetheless. And I appreciate Jeff finally saying something on the matter. If anything that’s what really pisses people off, when promises are made and nothing is said when the promises are left unfulfilled. But seeing how they have made progress, I’m willing to wait then.
Comment by Janus — July 26, 2007 #
I understand service is limited when making repairs. My one complaint is lack of information
Much of the discontent could be solved by a simple “Yahoo chat will be undergoing repairs from 0100-1100 EST on XX July 2007.
A CURRENT status of chat page would go a long way to soothing the public.
Thanks
Comment by Donna — July 26, 2007 #
i want to chat room , but i can’t join room.
Comment by normalmanvn — July 26, 2007 #
I just found this blog today and think its great to see Yahoo admit they we users really exist and that they are willing to give us a clue as to what is going on. Thank you Sarah and Jeff.
I see that some are saying that service is back but I don’t see it. I can log into messenger but when i try to get into ANY chat room it times out and says try again later. Try (and fail) to log in then go do something around the house and try (and fail) again an hr or two later. Well, at least this way I’m getting a few things done around the house and not setting here punching keys. lol
I am NOT a programmer or an IT person so I have no idea what it going on. Neither do I have any idea how to bake it better. All i know is that its NOT working.
For a long time I have had the question in the back of my mind as to who is really running the system. Is it yahoo or is it the bots, booters, hackers, etc. Today it looks like yahoo lost the battle and consequently we users lost also.
have a great day
Comment by Old Guy — July 26, 2007 #
“LOL i have to laugh sorry m8 but yes you can still be booted you do not stop getting packets if you ignore people not on your list you can get hit by anything aslong as it overflows yahoos buffer then yahoo will disconect you why yahoo do not disconect the ids the vast ammount of packets come from i will NEVER know this would STOP booting period unless somone found something similar to the http room booter again but then again it was patched. you still get im bombed just because you can not see it … does not mean to say you are not you are not if the sender (booter) sends more data than you can download then you get diconected simple as no matter what you are on.”
Yes i KNOW you can still be booted with all the prefs set to friends list and blah blah..that’s what I was saying! What I’m saying is that is fixable or should be. You’re saying or sound like, they can’t fix it at all. I disagree–they can fix that. They could just properly respect peoples preferences on their servers and not allow those packets to go out to someone not on their friends list. That would solve that problem, and there are other things that could be done that aren’t with traffic shaping and etc.
And the point about being able to connect to chat being the priority..uhh no it’s not! Not if a greater plan is in place to revamp their system. What’s more important really is that messenger continues to work in the mean time, not that you can connect to the silly chat rooms. The thing that really stinks is that you dont even have to USE the chat rooms and as Karl points out which I have already learned the more I find out about yahoo, you can be booted even just using messenger. No chat, nothing. Maybe a chat room might be the way someone decides they’re going to attack you with bots or whatever, but once they have your ID you don’t even have to be in a chat room. Just IM with a friend or whatever and you can be booted.
As for the chat..it would be something if at the very least the botting could stop. There is not much point in trying to connect to a room when its full of bots. The porn bots are one thing, that’s just a few bots here and there usually. But there are people clogging these rooms up..intentionally. With dozens and dozens of bots. Surely that is something that could easily be corrected. It should be obvious that they aren’t even porn bots, at least those post text into the room usually. These cloggers just stay there to take up space and lock the rooms up.
I know it’s a free service and perhaps there isn’t even a right to complain, but if they want someone to at least use messenger, the booting and exploits there should still be corrected finally. It’s free but there’s not much point in having it, free or not, when nobody can get into the chat or can be booted off of it by someone other than yahoo!
I say whatever it takes to make it work correctly and better, including redoing their whole system.
Jeff, you shouldn’t care if yahelite or those other programs don’t work correctly–only that y! messenger does. And it’s highly probable that some of the people writing those other programs are responsible for at least some of the booting and botting activities.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — July 26, 2007 #
Yes chatter the people who develop 3rd party clients such as craig (ymlite) are responsible for a part of the problem he releases malicious progs to the public all the time yet he tries to make chat better with his client go figure LOL..
Comment by Karl — July 27, 2007 #
yahoo is a great site and i really love it
Comment by araceli — July 27, 2007 #
It would be nice if you fix Yahoo Messenger. I haven’t used it for months now since it was almost impossible to get into a room. I have been using Yahelite since it has an auto ignore feature and wildcard ignore to auto iggy bots and spammers. but it seems the bots are filling up the rooms with sometimes up to 20 names making it impossible even on Yahelite to get into a room. And then the porn bots! when is Yahoo even going to do something to address that problem? with bots and porn bots they can fill up a room and hardly anybody can get in. Hope you guys are working to address this problem.
Comment by John — July 28, 2007 #
John don’t use those other programs like yahelite. Apparently those people making those programs are some of the same responsible for the booting and botting and locking up chat rooms in the first place. If yahoo can make their protocols servers and y! msgr better, that’s all that’s needed. Those other programs are unauthorized and really they are just stealing yahoo’s time with advertising it seems to me, it makes no sense that yahoo would allow those programs to connect to their servers. They should alter their system with a plan to have y! msgr be the only program that can work on it.
Comment by chatter_chatter_chatter — July 28, 2007 #
I too find it annoying that the chat button is no longer on the top of y messenger.
I have to say that I’ve seen a huge decrease in the number of real people in the rooms, guessing this is a big reason! Why do you want to kill chat until it’s nothing but bots? Yahoo doesn’t want new blood in the chat rooms?
I’ve heard alot of people talking in the chat rooms that are still there about most of the people that used to chat in yahoo moving to other chat sites like pal talk and awc chat just because no real people are in the chat rooms anymore and the fact that now there’s only generic nontopical rooms since they did away with the user rooms.
If I had two wishes that the yahoo Gods could grant I would wish for a chat button on messenger again and the ability to create user rooms again with actual interesting topics, seriously who want to talk in “chat lobby” or “the hot tub”? lol
I know the reason behind getting rid of the user rooms but come on, how hard is it to employ 3 people to work in 8 hr shifts to go through and delete the bad rooms once every hour or two? At least when the user rooms were there you knew to stay out of rooms with names like “pedophile” or “sick perverted animal sex freaks”. Now the people that used to congragate in there troll the supposed normal rooms so you get pm’d by them where they left normal people alone before.
Plus, wouldn’t it be easier for law enforcement to nab these freaks if they were in rooms with names like these instead of all spread out in “chat lobby” or “20’s Love” rooms?
Hell I know lots of people out of work that would gladly monitor user rooms for a measly $6 an hour.
Surely with the traffic you would bring back to yahoo chat you could justify paying something as little as $6 an hour?
I’m just waiting for the day when someone with the money and skills creates a similar chat site to Yahoo with the features people miss to put the final nail in yahoo chat’s couffin. Will be sad but not undeserved.
Comment by iabullrider — July 30, 2007 #
I am not only a long time user of Yahoo, I was a beta tester before it was Yahoo. I also now pay for DSL via Yahoo and I am frankly pissed at how chat has degenerated. As a paying customer, one of the Yahoo services I pay for is chat, along with Yahoo mail and messenger. Fully 80% or better of chat users are actually porn bots and this is beyond belief. Does Yahoo want to lose more advertising revenues or more public humiliation due to what is going on in chat? Does Yahoo’s business strategy include driving off users and customers as well?
I would respectfully suggest Yahoo focus on fixing their services or the natural process of business will be the end of Yahoo.
Comment by Bruce — July 31, 2007 #
yahoo is ignoring this issue simply because we have no choice they are the only one who offer free chat room service …there is google talk but has no chat room same goes with msn and skype….if only this companies will put chat rooms just like yahoo…everything will be deffrent…
Comment by ADAM — July 31, 2007 #
Its one thing to say you’re doing some work on your program. But after having a chat service for beyond 10 years now, surely you can do upgrades and updates without shutting the entire system down. If not, do it at after midnight, that’s how a lot of chat clients manage upgrades. Between the battle of the bots for the past couple of years and these ridiculous hours of downtime, you guys are definately losing your edge.
Comment by insufficient_memory — July 31, 2007 #
i think the guys/gals of the yahoo chat team understands they have a ‘product’ that keeps people in yahoo, although it is free, the things of yahoo surrounds yahoo chat for some people, the other services.. are used, 360, [ i for one am a yahoo small business customer] yahoo e-mail..etc.. and yahoo chat is a place as Jeff states, a place to hang out.., and basically.. keeps yahoo on a person’s pc, and in mind..
Comment by __ChAnDLeR__ — July 31, 2007 #
Wow, The Monopoly king in chat business,
just for name shake, notthing works, it just sucks,
it was well, if they are unable to fix the problem, they keep trying a new way to overcome, better analise the problem and find a solution for it.
Better we can join together to create a chat room like this, to break the monopoly or we can get in to MSN or SKYPE.
And the yahoo employees are paid alot, They are happy, the users are on their own fate and luck.
Comment by Yahoo Queen — July 31, 2007 #
text in yahoo keeps on stopping and while it is stopped nobody can get in as soon as it starts u can get back again..
might take a long time ,,yahoo always having problems…this problem with yahoo text stoppin has been goin on for a long time Do something Yahoo isnt working since 11:38 am PST right now 4 pm PST
Comment by Princess Nadia — July 31, 2007 #
First and foremost, and mentioned with COUNTLESS other comments… Stop whining! Its a free service. I could understand if you paid $15 or more a month for it, but you don’t. They fix their issues as fast as they can. Remember the older versions of Messenger? Like version 6? They were patching that almost every week!
I use Yahoo Messenger. I use YahElite. I use Yazak. I use YaHaven. And you know what? They all suffer from the same issues. The problem is not Yahoo, its the freaking morons who constantly plague Yahoo with new booters/laggers/mic-lockers, etc.
Its not something Yahoo can stop. There will always be people who are going to break apart code and find the vulnerabilities. Look at Microsoft Windows. And that’s something you PAID for. Then you have to go and PAY for Antivirus. And firewall, and Antispyware. And then what? Every year you have renew your subscriptions. More money down the hole.
I salute you, Yahoo, for trying your best. I will be the first to admit that I use to program booters, but that got lame and old quickly. We’ll always be around, its a fact of life. But keep on your toes! There is much work you’re doing - I’m sure it taxes your nerves.
Thanks Jeff for keeping us updated. I’m sure when the issues are fixed (or at least stable), the laud and praises will be worth the pain and agony you guys have been through.
Cheers!
Comment by Joel — July 31, 2007 #
Are the Chat rooms down
Comment by ob5700 — July 31, 2007 #
i know yahoo will delete this post but I have to say yahoo stinks
you have got worse and worse and I look forward to the day that google come up with chat rooms so I can say goodbye to you forever
now delete this post like you have all my others
Comment by burt — July 31, 2007 #
Yes, Yahoo chat rooms are down right now.
Comment by Venom — July 31, 2007 #
Well ok we know they are down when will they be back up and working?
Comment by Kim — July 31, 2007 #
Whether you love or hate Yahoo, chat is still shut down at this time. It seems the servers needs more tweaking. I wonder if the bot problem had been taken care of, would the servers need to be upgraded? Or would the existing servers have still been operating good with the enormous load removed. This appears like it is a treatment without searching for a cure.
Comment by Fusion — July 31, 2007 #
ok i have gotting on the chat a few times when to you think ill be able to get on all the time?
Comment by donald goddard — July 31, 2007 #
Yahoo has slowly but surely become thee worst chat site. I want to echo the sentiment of another user, I hope that Google has a chat room cause I would never use yahoo again! Its just ridiculous!
Comment by tony — July 31, 2007 #
Does Yahoo get money from the bot-sites for the hits from the yahoo rooms? Is that why they allow the bots to remain rampant?
Comment by Barbie — July 31, 2007 #
To concerned chatters.
I found out that Yahoo is not fixing and not going to fix their chat room problems. It is a sign of the times for Internet companies.
Chat is the lowest possible prioitiy for Yahoo. They have not publicly gone the way of MSN but will do so eventually.
Chat is a problematic issue for them from passive pornograhpy support to pedafile issues. It generates very little income directly or indirectly and therefore is on the chopping block.
While MSN was willing to stand up and just say we are done and end free chat Yahoo has not been so willing to be public about it.
You can tell that the service is not going to be fixed by the amount of deradation to service, change of service (dropping parts of chat) with no obvious improvement or service.
So enjoy what is left while it is left.
The question is .. will there be any good and free chat left anywhere on the Internet since chat is problematic and does not generate enough income?
Time for us to either pick up our cell phones to say hi to a human being or heaven forbid.. saying hi to the neighbors!
Comment by peter — July 31, 2007 #
i would like to get on yahoo chat
Comment by linda` — July 31, 2007 #
i would like to get into a yahoo chat room.
Comment by linda` — July 31, 2007 #
what has happened to yahoo chat???????????????
Comment by linda` — July 31, 2007 #
“First and foremost, and mentioned with COUNTLESS other comments… Stop whining! Its a free service. I could understand if you paid $15 or more a month for it, but you don’t. They fix their issues as fast as they can. Remember the older versions of Messenger? Like version 6? They were patching that almost every week!
I use Yahoo Messenger. I use YahElite. I use Yazak. I use YaHaven. And you know what? They all suffer from the same issues. The problem is not Yahoo, its the freaking morons who constantly plague Yahoo with new booters/laggers/mic-lockers, etc.
Its not something Yahoo can stop. There will always be people who are going to break apart code and find the vulnerabilities. Look at Microsoft Windows. And that’s something you PAID for. Then you have to go and PAY for Antivirus. And firewall, and Antispyware. And then what? Every year you have renew your subscriptions. More money down the hole.
I salute you, Yahoo, for trying your best. I will be the first to admit that I use to program booters, but that got lame and old quickly. We’ll always be around, its a fact of life. But keep on your toes! There is much work you’re doing - I’m sure it taxes your nerves.
Thanks Jeff for keeping us updated. I’m sure when the issues are fixed (or at least stable), the laud and praises will be worth the pain and agony you guys have been through.
Cheers!
”
This is the reason why it sucks. Assholes like this that yahoo you are letting ruin it for everyone else. This is clearly someone that simply fears they will no longer be considered “L33T” because their virtual sandbox might get locked up.
“COUNTLESS other comments… Stop whining! Its a free service. I could understand if you paid $15 or”
Not much point in having it, free or paid, when it’s not working like it should is there? If chat rooms are locked up and people cant get mic time as they’re supposed to, then it might as well not even exist. And the only reason those exploits still exist is that it is in fact free.
“I use Yahoo Messenger. I use YahElite. I use Yazak. I use YaHaven. And you know what? They all suffer from the same issues. The problem is not Yahoo, its the freaking morons who constantly plague Yahoo with new booters/laggers/mic-lockers, etc.”
Most people don’t need or won’t have an interest in trying those other programs if msgr and yahoo’s servers worked as they should for chat, and msgr is all most people will ever need. People will use whatever is easiest, period.
And excuse me..lol it IS yahoo are you on crack or something? Yahoo is the reason booting can still exist, and no other reason. Yahoo doesn’t
authenticate on someone’s ignore list properly server side and allows extraneous packets to be sent to a user id whether they want it or not. If they blocked packets and let them simply fall into the bit bucket as they should be doing for untrusted sources. And by doing so, not only are you or the other morons (and btw thanks for calling yourself a moron since you admitted to doing this as well), breaking the law, yahoo is as well by allowing the data to go through even if the user doesn’t want it.
“Its not something Yahoo can stop. There will always be people who are going to break apart code and find the vulnerabilities. Look at Microsoft Windows. And that’s something you PAID for. Then”
hahaha. Omg yes they can prevent it. You are trying to draw parallels where they don’t exist. Just b/c ms winblows can get a virus or a trojan or code may have vulnerabilities doesn’t mean yahoo has to allow multiple names and extraneous packets on their server. In all cases the data is going through yahoo and back to the clients. You aren’t sending data directly to the person at all, yahoo is doing it for you. If they authenticated on user’s ignore list as they should be doing, none of that would be possible. And as far as the chat goes, sure there can always be the rogue bot that makes it’s way through, but whole rooms locked up with no data comming in or going out, that would be rather easy to detect.
You go try to boot people off of the paid for services and screw up the experience for them, and see how far you get lmao. If there were vulnerabiltiies, they’d be fixed rather quickly. Face it, you got lucky with your booting and yahoo exploits because yahoo wrote most of this stuff quite some time ago and had a bad design in the first place, and didn’t care enough since it’s free to make it work better.
Comment by Make yahoo bot moderators — July 31, 2007 #
They do care about it, as it helps to initiate the revenue for their other services. After chatting on yahoo, many people look into, even if they dont purchase, one or more of yahoos other services. But you are right, Yahoo is in the middle of the connection and can therefore filter out undesirable packets, detect if the same packet is being sent to the same name from different proxies, same packet type being sent from one ip. Now the bots in the rooms will have to be handled differently. The different types of bots…You have porn bots, trivia bots, spam bots, room locker bots, voice iggy bots. To cut down on a program that loads may bots into a room, the Captcha would definitely slow it down at least enough to where just any old moron couldnt download a program and do it…There are ways around it, but your average joe would be lost. And people that pay for yahoo services chat as well…doesnt matter if chat itself is free…as a paying Yahoo customer, they expect for all the services to work properly and with as little problems as possible.
Comment by JohnnyO — August 1, 2007 #
How many blogs does this guy have? He abandoned the original one (http://blog.messenger.yahoo.com/blog/2007/05/25/chat-rooms-state-of-the-union) and now he is promising the same things on this one? I jjust log in to see how far he will fling the bull***t, looks like it’s pretty far. The only explanation I can think of is they broke chat and have no idea how to fix it.
How about make it so we can get into chat to start? Then work out who is a bot and who isn’t. I have been a member for 7 years, you can be pretty sure I’m not a spam bot. I haven’t been able to get into a room for months now (well it worked for 2 nights and then broke again). But the bots don’t seem to have problems logging in. Nice job… in reverse..
Comment by paddler — August 1, 2007 #
I would gladly pay for Yahoo chat but they can’t charge for it until it actually works.
I am a member of paltalk at $35 a year. I have never had a problem logging in and I have never seen a spam bot in there. if Yahoo could provide the same quality of service they could easily make money on it.
Why are they trying to re-invent the wheel here. Just do what Microsoft does, copy someone else’s idea and make a fortune repackaging it. Thats the new business model for American companies… go with the flow..
Comment by paddler — August 1, 2007 #
in my humble oppinion
———————————–!
enough talk and beating about the bush and prommises of wonderful things
how about if you-
Publish your list of improvements you intend to make !
in full !
LETS SEE IT !
i wonder if it will take yahoo the same amount of time with it’s so called updates as it did microsoft to come out with vista operating system it took them so long that they renamed it to vista formerly longhorn they stalled and stalled just like yahoo is doing right now microsoft stalled for years is yahoo going to do the same thing to us here ?
i smell the same tactics
all talk and no action.
then eventually they file some garbage out to us and say hey it’s safe now.
you know why this place is here ? its because it is designed to stem the onslaught of angry people and investors and lawyers with pending suits against yahoo for it’s ignorance of what is happening on it’s network with yahoo pulling our chains
this blog is here to give people hope
this blog is here to stop what little users yahoo has left for leaving by trying to give them somthing to hope for .
all hail yahoo making all these prommises and not giving anyone a time frame
several years ?
a year?
within a year?
a month ?
a week ?
Comment by Darkling — August 1, 2007 #
To the Yahoo Staff:
I am sure tired of this chat messenger not working along with many others that are sick of this site not operating right. Week after week, month after month, year after year, all we hear is we are trying to improve things so we chat lovers can enjoy our stay here. How can that be possible, when one we can’t get ito the rooms half of the time, or play games on here because the games never load up or the mic gives u a little time to talk and cuts u off? How do u claim this is enjoyment? To me and many others that use this site are so sick of the so called promises, that never seems to get better as one guy said on his comment. But instead gets worse and worse by the minute. I, myself have been on here many years. Last year was the same issue. Now it’s 2007, and guess what, the issue is the same as it was back in 2006. What gives here? Got a solution, seems the staff u have on there is not helping the matters get corrected. So what I see here, time to find someone else that can get this up and running the correct way and also solve once and for all this issues. Like one major issue, WHERE WE ALLLLLLL CAN GET INTO ANY CHATTTTTTT ROOOMS WE WANT. Not saying u won’t have minor issues here and there. But come on now. This is Ridicolous. This matter should have been straighten out months ago or even 4 that matter, like last year. Why make updates to yahoo when the 7.0 doesn’t work and now the 8.0 isn’t even any better. To me, it’s useless and I know many others in here agree with me as well. Hurry and get this running. We have waited long enough…. Too long that is.
Comment by Lisa — August 1, 2007 #
the only ones that are concearned with the mic time limit are the ones hagging the mic and playing music on it all day long
voice is not for playing music to your buddys if you want to do that thern take the music to private message or if you want to play to i room full of buddys take it to some room in the music catagory and make it a room like music lobby 12 or somthing out of the way of the ones that want to discuss the topic not listen to it all day long and not beable to chat about it this is chat!
not a amature DJ site people!
Comment by Darkling — August 1, 2007 #
“chat with voice” not chat with some wannabe DJ locking down the mic
Comment by Darkling — August 1, 2007 #
I’ve been trying without success for FOUR DAYS to enter a chat room, ANY chat room. DO HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS?
WAKE UP, YOU HALF-WITS. THE TRAINED MONKEY YOU HIRED AS A PROGRAMMER HAS DIED AND IT’S TIME TO GET A NEW ONE. DON’T FORGET TO FEED HIM THIS TIME, YOU BORDERLINE-TRAINABLES.
I was shopping online the other day and found the item I needed, but it turned out to be from a yahoo store, so I went elsewhere. I will NEVER support ANY yahoo enterprise ever again. YOU have caused so much aggravation and wasted so much of the time of so many people. You make promises and utterly fail to keep them. Your patrons BEG you for just a freakin’ scrap of information about the problem for MONTHS, and you just ignore them. Now you claim yet again that the fix is forthcoming; why on earth should any of us believe you for second? YOUR CREDIBILITY IS AT ZERO. If you were a bricks-and-mortar storefront, you’re customers would have burned it to the ground out of sheer frustration at your ineptitude.
You freakin’ clowns. I hope yahoo goes belly-up and every last one of you effing imbeciles is out on the street.
Comment by sarai — August 1, 2007 #
I’m sure this post will get removed since it is not exactly on topic. Has anyone at Yahoo noticed that whenever there is a blog about messenger/chat, there are over 100 comments posted by users, whereas, blogs about emoticons (or almost anything else) generate only a fraction of the responses? I think this shows what is most important to the majority of Yahoo users. Fix chat, release a Vista and a Mac version of messenger that actually works, get rid of bots… well you know what we all want and it isn’t new emoticons or some other “feature” that people don’t want or use.
To sarai, That is one heck of a flame you have posted. LMAO
Comment by Gary — August 1, 2007 #
Once again, you all miss the mark here, Sarah et al.. We simply want a working chat arena, with little abuse included, and to be INFORMED when you are working on it so we are AWARE not to try to get into a chat room. This past week you have Obviously been taking servers off and on, and we just become frustrated at the lack of communication to us.
Yes, Chat on Messenger is Free, however, it also generates yahoo searches and purchase power to your company. In essence, making us customers who are being ” abused” in our own right.
Comment by Valerie — August 2, 2007 #
‘Today, Yahoo! Inc. is a leading global Internet communications, commerce and media company that offers a comprehensive branded network of services to more than 345 million individuals each month worldwide. As the first online navigational guide to the Web, http://www.yahoo.com is the leading guide in terms of traffic, advertising, household and business user reach. Yahoo! is the No. 1 Internet brand globally and reaches the largest audience worldwide. The company also provides online business and enterprise services designed to enhance the productivity and Web presence of Yahoo!’s clients. These services include Corporate Yahoo!, a popular customized enterprise portal solution; audio and video streaming; store hosting and management; and Web site tools and services. The company’s global Web network includes 25 World properties. Headquartered in Sunnyvale, Calif., Yahoo! has offices in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Australia, Canada and the United States.”
I found this quote on the history of Yahoo site “http://docs.yahoo.com/info/misc/history.html”
Notice NO WHERE in this excerpt or anywhere else on this page will you see the word “chat”. Yes, Corporate Yahoo does offer messenger and though I don’t know MAY offer chat that is as close as it gets.
Yahoo does not care about chat, never has never will. If you notice most of the advertisements that you guys (other posters) speak of are Yahoo related, mostly Yahoo Personals. And with many other aggressively marketed dating sites I find it hard to believe they make enough revenue off chat marketing to make it worth putting much effort into it.
I do not like to type chat, I think to much gets lost in translation and I have search and searched for another voice client. I have found none worthy. Yahoo has a great tool.
To the powers that be. I have an idea. I dont think this wil actually work due to the fact if it did you would be doing it yourself. Sell the chat portion to someone with an idea of how to make it work AND make money, not just generate site traffic so you can boost your hit count and charge more for advertising.
Or just sell the chat client to other sites so they can use your tools on their sites.Yes, your client is that good WHEN it works. I chat at many other sites, usually very small rooms and usually Java or Flash based, horrible. I always direct people I want to chat with to Yahoo (which no longer has private rooms) and though hard to get everyone in, does still offer conferences which everyone can be invited to.
Without a doubt my long winded message will go unanswered as countless others have (I have only seen ONE response and it covered 2 posts) I felt I had to put in my $.02. (Though I think I am up to at least $.05 now)
Hope to get at least a reply telling me to get lost,
Kip
Comment by Kip — August 2, 2007 #
I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand and gone off on so many tangents that’s it’s become quite ridiculous.
As one poster said, the spammers, botters, and hackers have been around since day one. Also what another poster said about them not going away is true as well. A good hacker will always find a way around any ‘roadblock’. If they want into your computer or want your account bad enough, they will get it, it’s that simple.
So why can’t yahoo stay ahead of the game? Simple, look at how overwhelmed the anti-malware industry is with keeping up with new malware. You might think they should be able to stay one step ahead but with the thousands of variants of malware out there and the fact that it changes daily, all they can do is basically play catch up.
The fact is no matter where you go on the internet, there will be dangers. That isn’t going to change and people need to get smart about avoiding it. This means doing your homework. The computer companies can’t be constantly babysitting those who don’t know anything about their machine or the internet. They expect you to know this or to learn it for yourself. There are many ways of doing this. Classes at school or doing your own research through search engines, or getting a book from the library, etc. Bottomline on this point is to educate yourself.
Next I think we have to be careful in grouping the makers of 3rd party apps into one category. Just because their apps are being used with mischief in mind doesn’t mean that that was what their creators intended. Many of them just wanted a better way of blocking the mess that goes on in Yahoo Chat. By the way, there have been 3rd party chat clients for yahoo from the beginning as well, though most were unknown until just a few yrs ago. Do people use Y!mLite, Yahelite, Yazak, etc for bad purposes? Sure. Do people use the internet for bad purposes? Absolutely. Does this mean that we just group all websites as and web administrators as mischieviants? Of course not, that’s absurd. So we can’t do the same thing to the authors of apps just because someone uses them with mal-intent.
Lastly, Yahoo is trying to do something about it, late or not, they are trying. They have asked for more programmers and everything. Have they done everything perfectly? No, and neither does anyone else. Many of you will say they’ve been given too much slack. Maybe this is true, but for a minute think about the immensity of the problem they are trying to overcome. It may seem fairly simple to you, but even the smartest people can’t see the future in 20/20. They will always be playing catch up to some new vulnerability. NO PROGRAM IS 100% BULLET PROOF. You may get it to 99.9% that way, but it will never be 100%.
As far as whether Yahoo supports the bots as some have suggested, I think we should be careful what we accuse someone of. Unless you have concrete evidence of such accusations, you should becareful to make sure that everyone is aware it is your opinion, because otherwise it is slander and illegal. No, I’m not taking sides here, I’m just trying to be objective which I think has been lost because of the emotions involved in all this.
Yahoo, you have said you are listening, and are trying to prove it. We await the final result, but please remember that patience isn’t something that lasts forever and eventually will run out. I hope that you are able to hire good programmers and that you are able to astound us with the work you have done. This will be good for you, for your advertisers and finally, for us, your loyal users who have continued to use your services despite the problems.
One final thought, someone mentioned that Yahoo planned to make chat a pay service. If this is true, then why would they bother in making an update? They could just make a totally new service and make it one we have to pay for. Despite the number of bots in the chatrooms, there are still millions of users who use chat or who want to use chat but are tired of the problems. I’m sure Yahoo realizes this and along with our ‘nudges’ is trying to rectify the problems.
Keep us updated Yahoo, and users lets try to stay objective. Everyone knows the problems, including Yahoo, let’s continue to offer solutions.
Comment by Jon — August 2, 2007 #
Ok, so everyone is upset with the way Yahoo Chat is right now and Yahoo doesn’t seem to want to put much effort into it.
Yahoo is the only game in town now really so everyone that wants to actually chat in a free chat room is pretty well out of luck. Why not do something about it instead of sitting around waiting for Yahoo to do something or waiting for someone like Google to make a chat site?
Myself and some others have decided to make a go at creating our own free chat site like Yahoo used to be with the ability to create your own user rooms again, the domain should be online in a day or two but until then you can get info on it at http://www.mqins.com/oohyachat.htm
We’ve waited 2 years now for Yahoo to get chat back to a usable status but have done nothing but drive users away so let’s seriously do something about it, if Yahoo wants out of the chat game then we’ll make a new one!
Comment by iabullrider — August 2, 2007 #
Jon,
No one wants or is even asking for this serviece to be 100% bullet proof, just an up time of 50 or 60% would be nice.
As far as the bots and spammers go, I use Yahelite as well as messenger. I have not problems with bots at all in either client. Yes, I am aware that booters and others with malisious intent can get by the features in both clients to boot you but as far as the porn (and other) bots I never get messages from them. Works perfectly. IF the bad guys do boot me, what does it take about 5 seconds to log back in, oh wait it USED to take 5 seconds, now it is very possible to take 5 hours.
I am not a programmer, though I know just enough to get into trouble. They had a working client, They broke it. It is that simple. I work for a company that has worlddwide operations and requires real time messaging capability. We tried Yahoo, though it was MUCH easier to use we had no choice but to use Quicktime. For those of you not familiar with Quicktime, it is a client based on Lotus Notes. This system had no where near the capability of Yahoo Messenger however it had one HUGE advantage, It worked 99.9% of the time. In fact I am not aware of one instance that it went down. I say this only because I know we did not have millions of users but that should not be the issue here, networking around the globe should be, adn if they can do it, Why can’t Yahoo.
As I said in my previos post the fact remains that Yahoo does not now, nor did it ever care about this client. I can go on and on with examples to show this point. One being, if they actually cared they would stop pushing everything towards a web based client. They want messenger to go away, people using there services via a stand alon client does NOTHING for their hit count. Web based clients do. But think back just a few years, they got rid of their web based chat, Java.
Yahoo Profiles have become all but useless now that they are pushing Flickr, which by the way is harder to figure out than stereo instructions, IN RUSSIAN!
While other sites are pushing integration for services Yahoo is dividing them. Yes they are in the top 5 for hits with Myspace, Google and AOL up there as well.
OK, I am babbling now but in closing I would like to add that you say These posts are getting off topic, I disagree. These posts are not only on target but every one of them is relevant. Yahoo Chat programmers do not listen to anything their users say. IMHO they think they know what we want without out listening to us. And that is made apparent by their lack of communication with us, the users that care enough to give them feedback, as you can see by the lack of responses they don not listen.
I will suggest something else. Why not get a group of up to a few hundred intelligent users (Sorry, “Yahoo sucks and I am never gonna come here again” does not count) and actually have a dialog with them. Hell, maybe there is one and everyone here is just not smart enough to find it or to get invited..lol.
And yes, though I have no proof whatsoever, I think ad bots are a source of revenue for Yahoo. If they aren’t….They should be! However with that being said, this IS a pay service, it is paid for by advertisers.
Ok Enough babble for on day
Kip
PS, I did not correct misspelled words…sue me
Comment by Kip — August 2, 2007 #
Bullrider,
Most of what makes Yahoo Chat possible is the amount of users. Yahoo began as a portal, and only because of this it had enough potential users to create a diverse crowd. Without that it would be impossible to re create, especially since Yahoo was started before the marketers realized that vast potential of the internet, now no one will touch virtual space unless there is a profit angle.
Kip
Comment by Kip — August 2, 2007 #
damn, i wish the posts here were made by people who have yahoo experience. ( been here since 99′) Since few weeks ago, ive noticed servers are much faster to move around the rooms which makes it alot easier to chat. There are also hourly lags of chat which happen 4-5 times a week, but im hoping that happens due to yahoo testing their new servers and only in the summer. The 30 second mic limit is great..people cant stand voice chatters who hog the mic, please dont change it….Removing the porn bots is a good idea since the rooms hold maximum of 50 people…….and about the bots that people load….What is your plan to take care of them? Removi